Hi Jan, I like your point of view. I was raised Christian (the denomination is irrelevant) and have read the bible cover to cover more than once. I understand what it means to be christian, and I know what it means to be atheist. I do not take 'Darwinian ideas' because it's the trend it is NOT, or because I was told to - unlike commandments written by mortals - or because its popular - commercialized by celebrations and holidays. No, I did not convert, I just unceremoniously became Atheist - and it was beautiful, because it was grounded in truth. Simple, observable truth. nothing else. There was no element of refuge - and I do not really understand your reference to it, but if anything atheism offers you the opposite - No god as father symbolism, no heaven after death, no being forgiven for any 'sin' committed. None of it. Just one life, here and now. I take comfort in atheism because, it has two things that life has proven time and a gain - cause and effect. So while Atheism says there is no god to impose judgement, we are also knowledgeable enough to know there will be repercussions (effect) to our actions (cause.) So while you suggest my actions go unchecked, actually, you are incorrect. I find myself even more conscious of my actions as an atheist. As for "lights out"... well I mean that is it. Christians believe in heaven and hell. I know with every part of me that there is no such thing. No satan, no angel. When we die, we die. And if people stopped kidding them selves, they will see it as well. Well, the living die, but the species continues and just as we learnt on the backs of those before us, those after us will, from ours. our accomplishments are everything. Without George Washington and that bunch, we'll still be drinking tea. Without Edison's accomplishments we will be in the dark, without Sir Tim, we'd still be using snail mail and newspapers. So we all live on each other's accomplishments. I dont think I want anything to stop the 'onslaught' of time. All good things must come to an end. If one day, my accomplishments are forgotten, so be it. I have had my fun while I was here so that alone is worth a king's ransom to me. I am not looking for a reward, I do what is right, when I can, because it feels great to do so. Thanks Jan, please do write more, I love to read what you have to say.