Weird lights spotted over San Diego

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You know what's REALLY weird about this? Every Youtube video of this object I try to view now is blacked out. This is in addition to the newsstation no longer answering phone calls about it. What's with this? Who has the power to go around and black out Youtube videos? Check for yourself. I can't find one video of this anymore:

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=san diego ufo
     
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Have you ever seen an Osprey take off, land and perform maneuvers? A pretty simple question.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I used to pilot an Osprey in San Diego. Every year we'd hover in formation for hours south of San Diego with strings of blue, purple, green and red lights between our planes. It was part of the San Diego Christmas Festival of Lights. We even used special sock mufflers on our propeller blades to silence them. Good times..
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It's unfortunate that you cannot even answer a simple question without lying. Given your demonstrated dishonesty, why would you expect anyone to take your latest conspiracy theory seriously? Is it just that you crave the attention that posting BS brings you?
     
  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Look..I can see by looking at Bell's video of Ospreys that their lights are not bright enough to be seen as what we see in that object. The lights are steady or else steadily strobing, lacking the quality of intermittance that one would see from fuselage mounted lights. Are the lights a ufo? Perhaps not. Perhaps we are seeing a fata morgana illusion at night of distant TV antennae. Who knows. But let's not pound a square peg into a round hole just because that's what you see over your house all the time.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The red and green navigation lights are on steadily, as they are on most aircraft. You are thinking of aircraft beacons, which are often strobe lights. They are different than navigation lights.
    Agreed. Or they could be Ospreys. Or they could be helicopters from North Island. Nothing you have described or shown prohibits any of the above.
    And try not to celebrate your ignorance of aircraft just because you want to believe something.
     
  10. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    It's only a temporary hushing. A la the 2008 installment of the "Phoenix Lights", the two guys the military hired as a cover story -- one explaining that he naively did _x_ and _x_ without realizing the disturbance it would cause -- just bailed on them. Time is needed to set-up another inventive facade for a back-up Mr. Prankster and his neighbor witness. Plus convincing the local police to likewise embellish and be charitably indifferent about his supposed exploit. [Which it would be kind of easy, anyway, to give him a free pass on being cited, ticketed or charged if his sophomoric feat did not really occur.]

    "Police will not investigate the mysterious lights seen flickering in the sky. [...] A Valley man told 3TV he was behind it all! He says he took four large balloons full of helium, tied them to road flares and let them go! [...] The man, who did not want to be identified, told 3TV that he used fishing line to attach road flares to helium-filled balloons, then lit the fares and launched them a minute apart from his back yard. A Phoenix Police Department helicopter pilot who witnessed the lights said they appeared to be flares, possibly hanging from one or more helium balloons. [...] The man interviewed, who asked not to be identified, said he believed turbulence created by a passing jet caused the balloons to move around."

     
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    It appears the "two rednecks with balloon flares" story was superceded with another flare story. So many flares in the air that night! Wow!

    Paulden, Arizona
    Thursday, March 13, 1997
    8:16 p.m.

    The first reported sighting was by a former police officer who reported that he and his family had witnessed some unusual lights moving very rapidly across the night sky near Paulden, about 30 miles north of Prescott. He described what they saw as a very strange cluster of distinctly red-orange lights, which consisted of 4-5 red lights "in the lead," followed by a single light which appeared to be "standing back from the others." The lights in the lead gave the impression of being in a "V" formation, somewhat like a wedge or boomerang in shape.

    Prescott, Arizona
    8:17 p.m.

    Callers from Prescott and Prescott Valley, approximately 50 miles north of Phoenix, reported that at approximately 8:17 p.m., they witnessed 4 or 5 very bright white lights pass overhead. They reported that what they saw seemed to be a triangular-shaped object with a complex grouping of lights along its sides. One witness was standing outside with his wife and sons in Prescott Valley when they noticed a cluster of lights to in the west-northwest. The lights formed a triangle, but all of them appeared to be red except for a light at the "nose" of the object, which was white. They observed for several minutes as the lights passed directly over their heads, banked to the right, and then disappeared to the southeast. All of the observers described the lights as gliding soundlessly through the night sky. There was absolutely no sound at all coming from them.

    Dewey, Arizona

    The report came from Dewey, AZ, about ten miles south of Prescott. Six people driving north on Highway 69 towards Prescott witnessed a large cluster of lights in the form of a "V" shape in the sky. They pulled off the road into a grocery store parking lot and got out of their car in order to get a better look at the lights. By then, the lights were directly above them, where they appeared to hover for several minutes. The caller, an experienced flyer, reported that the object defined by the lights was so large that, if he clenched his fist and held it at arm’s length, he could not cover the size of the object with his fist. He estimated the completely silent object to be not over 1,000 feet above the ground and moving at a very slow pace, considerably slower than an aircraft would fly.

    The next reports were from Chino Valley, Tempe, Glendale, and Phoenix. Generally, the sightings seemed to move southward from Paulden to Prescott to Phoenix and finally towards Casa Grande and then Tucson.

    A report from Chandler, Arizona states that a man and his wife saw the formation of lights at 8:30 p.m.

    In Tucson a man watched the formation of lights from 8:45 to after 9:00 p.m. He reported that the lights came from the northwest, flew overhead for 5-10 minutes, and then disappeared to the south as they moved off over the mountains.

    One of the later reports was from Kingman, AZ, where a young man, enroute to Los Angeles, called from a phone booth to report having seen a large cluster of lights moving slowly in the northern sky. Note that Kingman is back towards the north, in the direction of Las Vegas.

    The next day, March 14, The Air Force disavowed any knowledge of the sightings, even refusing to admit receiving and phone reports of the sightings at Luke AFB (near Phoenix) on March 13. This in spite of a rumor that an operator at Luke had told a caller that she was being flooded with UFO calls that night and in spite of individuals' phone bills, which prove that they called the base that night.

    The National UFO Reporting Center reportedly received a telephone call on March 14 from a person who identified himself as an airman stationed at Luke Air Force Base. The caller said two F-15c fighters were scrambled from Luke, and that one of the aircraft had "intercepted" a gigantic object over the intersection of Indian School Road and 7th Avenue. It was also reported by this individual that the onboard radar of the intercepting fighter had suddenly gone to a condition of "white noise," and that the lights on the anomalous object simultaneously had suddenly dimmed in unison and disappeared from the pilot’s sight.

    Top Secret Aircraft?
    The government says flares...

    When later investigations by the Arizona National Guard found that the visiting Maryland Air National Guard was running an exercise called Operation Snowbird along the Barry Goldwater Gunnery Range to the southwest of Tucson on the evening of March 13, the Air Force suddenly found its voice. The Arizona Air National Guard learned that the Maryland force flew eight A-10s and dropped left-over high-intensity flares on the way back to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base at Tucson. A Davis-Monthan flight schedule showed that a squadron of Operation Snowbird planes left at 8:15 p.m. on March 13 and returned at 10:30 p.m. A spokesman for Luke Air Force Base confirmed that the Maryland planes were authorized to use the Goldwater range from 9:30 to 10:00 that night.

    An Air Force spokesman said:

    It's standard to use flares with the A-10 because it operates very low and very slow over a battlefield, which makes it very susceptible to heat-seeking missiles," he says. "They use them as a decoy for surface to air missiles and they will do that during training. Basically, any missiles that are fired will track after the flares and not the aircraft.... I was speaking with some of our experts here and they said the kind of flares that they use are attached to a parachute and when they are jettisoned from 6,000 feet, you can see them from about 150 miles away.

    After their flare exercises at Goldwater, the planes began to fly back toward Tucson but suddenly realized that they had extra flares. According to the story, base rules prohibit planes with flares from landing and so as they were leaving the range the planes jettisoned their flares.

    The media jumped on this explanation and declared that the Phoenix UFO mystery had been explained.

    What's wrong with this picture?

    At 8:17 p.m., as the Operation Snowbird A-10's were just taking off from Davis-Monthan, witnesses in Prescott were seeing the lights come in from the Northwest, fly overhead, and then disappear to the southwest. By 8:30, when the A-10's would just be getting to the Goldwater range near Gila Bend and about sixty miles to the southwest, witnesses in Phoenix were seeing the lights come from the north, pass over Phoenix, and go to the southwest. At 8:45, the lights were being seen from Tucson, again first in the north, although the flare operation wasn't scheduled to begin until 9:30. If the flare operation took place at the correct time, from 9:30 to 10:00, then that is well after the reports from Phoenix and from north of Phoenix. Finally, between 10:00 and 10:30, the A-10's disposed of their excess flares and, at 10:30, they returned to Davis-Monthan AFB. No matter how many videos are run on TV that show flares dropping out of sight behind mountains one-by-one, they can't be what the earlier witnesses saw from 8:15 to 8:45. These witnesses included architects, physicians, law enforcement officers, educators, attorneys, airline pilots, scientists, real estate brokers, and other seemingly reliable witnesses."-----http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1268.htm
     
  13. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    So it took them this long to realize "Duh, there's a mountaintop in that direction?" I've seen a combination of flashlights and utility vehicle lights dotted along a mere hillside between Christmas-decorated buildings that appeared pretty crazy-looking while approaching it head-on from a significant distance. But for these inhabitants, after a week of scratching their heads it's finally: "Oh, geez, I guess there's this freaking equipment-laden mountain protruding up on the horizon over there."
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly. And get this:

    "Weather conditions appear to have played a part in this misunderstanding, as it was a foggy night which may have made the lights appear brighter than they normally are."

    Strange..I've never heard of fog making lights MORE visible than they normally are.
     
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    If the lights are higher up and above the fog, yes, it can make those lights appear brighter relative to what people would be seeing on the ground. Plus their reflection on the water in the air would make them appear brighter.

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    The lights and pattern certainly does match up.
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    MR, you do realize that these light patterns being described make NO SENSE in terms of layout, right?

    Why would there be lights on just one side of any sort of craft, air/space/ground/sea, or otherwise?
     
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..seeing lights up out of a fog layer doesn't make them brighter than without the fog layer. If anything they'd be dimmer. And there's no water involved here. But it's obvious what mistake was made here. It defies belief that there can be people so stupid that they don't notice these obvious things during the daytime. That and the misreporting of it being southwest of the Coronado bridge. What a waste of time...
     
  18. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    ZOMG! The aliens have a space base in plain view of the Humans!
     
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    Look at the photos of the lights. There is no fog where the photo is being taken, but it appears smoggy or foggy beyond the tree line. Hence why the lights look brighter and possibly pop out for people to see, because all other lights up to the base of that giant hill would be blurred out by the fog that was apparently there.

    So relative to what is on the ground, they look much brighter because everything else is fogged out.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..people looking up thru a layer of fog will always see a light as less bright than without the the fog. It's just common sense.
     
  21. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    It's also simple trigonometry. Looking up at an angle will have less fog through line-of-sight than looking across at eye level, depending on the depth of the fog bank.
     
  22. Bells Staff Member

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    Yes. But if you look at the images you posted, they weren't looking through fog. They were further away, so they were looking over the fog. This is supposedly San Diego. Bright lights everywhere. The images you posted you can't see any bright lights at ground level beyond the trees immediately in front of the person taking the photo. So the fog would be at ground level, in front and below the person taking the image. Which means they weren't looking through the fog (which is obvious given your images show bright and distinct lights in the distance), but over the fog, to where the air would be clearer. And the fog below and any moisture in the sky would amplify the lights, as would the darkness beneath it because the lights of the city and the suburbs below that hill are smothered in fog.

    I'll put it this way, go out on a humid night where there is a lot of moisture in the air and look at the moon or even the stars. Sometimes you will be lucky and see a halo around the very very bright white coloured moon. Sometimes around the sun. That level of moisture makes it look really bright, or brighter than it normally looks and then you have the halo effect around it.

    Or better yet, go for a drive on a moonless night and get to the country and look up at the stars. Without lights nearby, the starts look brighter and bigger. Normally the lights of San Diego at the base of those hills would be bright enough to dim the lights of those towers on that hill, or even be too bright to see them at all, since light pollution is pretty bad next to big cities. Live in a densely populated area and look up at the stars and you will see what I mean. Distant lights are often unseen because of light pollution.

    So on a night where there is fog blanking out the city's light pollution, people suddenly notice the lights on those antennae's. Luckily they didn't look up at the stars and seen how bright they were. Probably think they were being invaded.

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  23. debra Registered Member

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    magical is spinning his wheels... you need to thank god daily (oh wait there is no god ... how dare I) this person is writing on this forum. Everything I read from him is gold. When you got so many high rank officials whistling ...it should tell you something and this something is ..that you the human specie have a lot to learn ...can the ant see the human whos about to step on it? why don't they step on humanity? well my friends....they ....are you...they made ...you...remember that god from the bible...the miracles and the wonderful stories.... they ..are.. you
    its ok, too complicated for human brain 2015....in due time
     
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