We think not by our brain.

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  1. khalidcustoms Registered Senior Member

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    I am cosmologist by passion. I often think about thinking that how we think?
    Cosmology is science of the universe.
    Cosmologists study the universe as a whole: its birth, growth,shape,size and eventual fate.
    We try to read the 'Mind of God', but we are not “authentic” of our mind. We are not also authentic that how and why we think. My daughter Laila Khalid is co-researcher with me in this field "how we think?"
    In our Theory of Mind, heart plays central role in thinking. Brain is only a “memory machine” in all living things. We think not by our brain but by our heart. All living things think not by their brain, but by their heart.
    It's realy “heart blowing” and not “mind blowing” idea!
    Animals without having their brain also think and are more smart than human in some cases. Our mind is in our heart, not in brain.
    The human brain is not designed to be creative. The heart performs an incredible number of tasks. It lets you think, dream and experience emotions. It controls body temperature, blood pressure, heart rate and breathing. It also controls a flood of information about the world around you from your various senses- seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching, etc.
    All of these tasks are controlled and regulated by heart and coordinated with brain. Our new theory of mind is a "unified theory of mind-body", a Holy Grail of Philosophy, which will also settle the mind over body problem.
    Heart gives us the power to think, plan, speak,imagine......It is truly an amazing organ.
     
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  3. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    How stupid!!! Are you really dumb enough to believe any of that? And do you actually suppose people who've received a mechanical heart no longer have the ability to think????

    This is most certainly NOT "Human Science" by any stretch of the imagination - would some Mod please dispose of this thread properly? It doesn't even begin to qualify as "Fringe" or "Alternative Theory" - pure Cesspool material.

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  5. khalidcustoms Registered Senior Member

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    There are heaps of animals which don't have a brain such as jelly-fish or sea sponges and starfish.
    Invertebrates typically don't have brains. That includes all kinds of worms, most mollusks (clams, slugs), jellyfish, hydra, coral, seastars, sea cucumbers, sponges, insects, arachnids, myriapods, crustaceans

    there are more animals without a brain than with a brain....but this fact doesn't mean that they are any less capable of adapting to their environment than us. Because they all have circulatory system.
     
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  7. oak Registered Member

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    Many animals have a circulatory system without a heart just as many have a nervous system without a brain. I don't understand how you can equate a circulatory system to a "heart" but not equate a nervous system to a "brain." It doesn't make sense to me.
     
  8. khalidcustoms Registered Senior Member

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    Main function of the heart is thinking and to let you know you're scared and excited. It has a secondary biological function of pumping blood around the body [Circulatory System] and if it is pumping blood by any means, it is still an organ.
     
  9. Pincho Paxton Banned Banned

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    What about people with artificial hearts?

    It's so quick to break this idea, that to have two people working on it it should last all of 2 minutes.

    If you had said the gut, you might have lasted longer.
     
  10. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    You are partially right in terms of the heart thinking. Although feelings and sensations are conscious at the level of the heart, these feelings and sensations stem from the brain.

    There is a part of the brain called the limbic system which controls emotional valance among other things. These signals can reach the heart as feedback. For example, the brain, via an aspect of the limbic system called the hypothalamus, can lead a cascade of glands that release chemicals into the blood; release of adrenaline. When the adrenaline is released, you can feel the kick to the heart. This kick is made conscious via sensory nerves within the heart, which also feedback to the brain. The loop is brain, hypothalamus, intermediary glands, adrenaline in blood, heart, consciousness, feedback, etc.

    Another analogy is feeling hungry. The brain is monitoring the body and when the need for food is there, it sends a signal so we can feel hungry and become conscious of this. This awareness may start in the stomach (grumbling empty feeling) but it actually started in the control system of the brain. The control system is too fast to be conscious, directly. The conscious mind needs more of a hammer to the side of the head to become conscious of the loop. The stomach grumble or heart ache is felt so there is a strong enough sensory feedback signal for consciousness. Then the ego can participate in the loop.

    It is possible to back translate these feedback signals to/from the body, heart, stomach, etc, and therefore know unconscious content of the brain's feedback system. There is a type of language of the heart from which one can infer things of the mind. This may be where your research is heading.

    There is another consideration called emotional thinking. When the brain creates memory, aspects of the limbic system are also used. These help to engrain memory into the cerebral matter while also adding an emotional tag. If we "feel" hungry, memories with that feeling tag will appear first in the mind. Food we like has a pleasure feeling just thinking of it.

    Because of this emotional/memory association, we can trigger thoughts with feeling and trigger feelings with thoughts. I can think of food and make myself hungry (thought--->feeling). Or I can feel hungry and will start to think of food (feeling--->thought).

    Thinking with the heart is based on conscious feelings inducing thoughts. One might get a good feeling when they meet that new person. As they pond this feeling,associated thoughts may be induced which start to explain the basis for this feeling.

    Politics trigger feelings. Often it is the feeling that is treasured, so the thoughts remain linear since they can trigger the desired feelings such as strength in conviction. But this is all done in the mind, with the body and heart offering sources for conscious feedback.

    When I write new things, I wait for the subtle feelings to appear. I know these will have some form of thought association. It is all about learning to translate. There are times, when the feeling is more the goal. This could make the thoughts irrational since the goal was not really the best thinking, but the feeling buzz. But still it is part of the training needed to work both sides of memory.
     
  11. khalidcustoms Registered Senior Member

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    A study conducted by The University of Chicago concluded that sleep helps the mind learn complicated tasks. It also helps people recover knowledge they thought they had forgotten over the course of a day.
    Although during sleep our brain is turnout. During sleep our heart is, in fact, extraordinarily active. Sleeping is involved in the learning and memory process in several important ways.
    There is no proven fact on why we dream, which is why there are so many theories on the topic. In my study, The conscious mind is our memory in skull brain in awakening. The unconscious mind is our heart which is more active biologically in sleep and is a reservoir of feelings, thoughts, urges and memories that outside of our memory [our conscious brain]. This is why we see dream in sleep.
     
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  12. Enmos Registered Senior Member

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    Mother of god...
     
  13. Aqueous Id flat Earth skeptic Valued Senior Member

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    You can stop right there.

    Your passion is for bullshit, nothing more, and you are drawing flies.
     
  14. wlminex Banned Banned

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    IMPO . . . . I think Khalid is using the generic term 'heart' to mean 'mind'. Perhaps not . . . please clarify . . . mind is even more dispersed in our understanding of how it works than 'brain', having conscious and unconscious manifestations . . . . personally (IMPO, James) I think the mind is tied to the universe mechanism(s) via quantum (or subquantum) connections.
     
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  16. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Even more meaningless word salad. Pure baloney through and through!!! :bugeye:
     
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    . . . .iypo . . . .
     
  18. Bells Staff Member

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    Wow..

    Okay..

    But..

    Firstly, this makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

    Secondly, what does this have to do with cosmology exactly? Are you saying that the study of the universe and the objects of the universe amounts to the search for the "Mind of God"?

    Or are you into religious cosmology?

    You have dragged your daughter into your madness?

    Why?

    And may I remind you that your daughter may not appreciate you naming her (first and last name) on an open internet forum. I would suggest you do not provide such personal information on this forum.

    Firstly, if your heart blew, you would be dead.

    Secondly, the heart is a muscle that circulates blood throughout the body, including supply to the brain so that the brain can function. Here is a link, aimed at children, which explains how the brain works. Since it appears you may be incapable of comprehending complex discussions on this matter, I thought it might be best to get you started with something much more simple. It also explains which parts of the brain 'think':



    Might I suggest you get your daughter to read it as well.

    Umm no.

    Jellyfish, for example, do not have a "brain" or even a heart. You can read more about their anatomy at this link and it explains to you how they manage without a "brain" or heart:


    You might also want to get your daughter to read that as well.

    Designed by whom?

    And the human brain is what controls all of our functions, from breathing to conceiving ideas to imagining stories and music to write to deciding what colour you want to paint your walls, etc.

    The heart is an amazing muscle that pumps blood through the body.

    That is actually the brain.

    Umm wrong.

    Since basic human anatomy is beyond you, I cannot with any conscious allow this thread to remain here in this sub-forum. It doesn't even belong in the fringe section of sciforums since, well, you are demanding that we believe what we know with certainty, to be incorrect.

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    Thread moved to Cesspool. Information has been provided in this post to provide you with the very basics of reality. Nothing more really needs to be said. Please do not start such threads here again.
     
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