"We" stole the Indian's land.... Oh really ?

Discussion in 'History' started by Cazzo, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    All too often you here some people stating that "we" (Americans) "stole" the land from American Indians.

    Seeing how it was Europeans that no longer exist that took over America, is it fair to say "we", today, stole their (the Indians who no longer exist) land ?

    Likewise, the "Native Americans" that live on reservations in America today are just as "native" as anyone else born in the Americas; so the current Indians never owned all of America.

    So how is it "we" stole their land ?
    If "we" stole their land, then you could say that about ANY country on the face of the planet; as conquests and borders have been changing around the world for perhaps 100,000 years or more.

    Additionally, people claim "we" committed "genocide" on Indians in the Americas. First of all, most were killed by diseases carrying a ride to the Americas from explorers.....hardly a "deliberate" "genocide"; those explorers didn't even know what a disease was.:rolleyes:
    And there's only 1 documented case of 2 small pox laden blanets given to an Indian tribe.
    All these tragedies happened before any of us ("we") were born.
     
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  2. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    I think the fact that they were put on reservations in their own land is a good sign.

    What would you think of new immigrants who did that to you? The exact same thing?
     
  3. Cazzo Registered Senior Member

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    Of course, but that's not the point of this thread.
    This thread is about the blame game, where some people assert that "we" NOW are responsible for what happened to the Indians over 100 years ago; which is obviously FALSE since "we" didn't exist back then.
     
  4. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Let me put it this way. If the Chinese decided to move to the US, make the official language, dress, food, law, society, culture, political system Chinese, took away all your resources, land and money, put you in little patches of land where you could do everything under their watchful eye, what would you do?
     
  5. CheskiChips Banned

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    The Confederates tried that, it didn't work.

    Just so know you know; the original people in the south were very much unrelated to the people in the North in the early days.
     
  6. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Like you moving to Israel? :rolleyes:
     
  7. CheskiChips Banned

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    No, that one worked.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    It did? Wow, when did that happen? Is that why you are learning a language that was dead for 2000 years? :rolleyes:
     
  9. CheskiChips Banned

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    It was dead for 2000 years, luckily Jews are really good at CPR.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No they are really bad at facing reality. Its why the native Americans will have assimilated after 2000 years and Jews will have become Middle Eastern terrorists holding on to "their" land.
     
  11. CheskiChips Banned

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    From now on when you say something so silly; I am going to just refer you to my name sake.

    Refer to Ezekiel.
     
  12. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its not silly, the native Americans lived for thousands of years in the US and yet in another few hundred years, they will have become a part of the population, notwithstanding idiots who think they owe them nothing. Jews were immigrants to Canaan and have been clinging to a fantasy for 2000 years, thats a LOOOOOOOONNNNNNGGGGGG time to be a people who refuse to assimilate. So I doubt another 2000 years will make much difference.

    From Holocaust survivors they have graduated to occupation and terrorism. Before long they will become despised once more for the same reason as always: they want to be separate from others. It does not work in places like the Middle East, where anyone who behaves like a foreigner is considered an outcaste. But apparently the Zionists have a deep ideological fanaticism for that land, so they will not share it or give it up or move out. Which means they will sit on their nuclear bombs and keep terrorising their neighbours.

    Now compare that to the native Americans.
     
  13. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Sort of like all the people who got angry at the French for not being positive about the Gulf war and all these Americans ran around saying 'we saved your asses in WW2'.
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  15. kmguru Moderator

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    In another 100 years when America becomes the sattelite of China, do you think Israel will be like American Indians in a reservation?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    By that time, all the sane Jews will have run off and the fanatics will be blowing themselves up. Like in Masada

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada

    Whats up with the native Americans anyway? Whats holding them back? Is it drugs or alcohol?
     
  17. CheskiChips Banned

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    It's mainly diabetes, poor schools, illness, and depression. I live next to 3 different reservations. They keep VERY isolated, they don't speak to white people. They even speak their native tongues.
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    With that combination, they probably have a higher incidence of suicide as well. Whats preventing their assimilation?
     
  19. kmguru Moderator

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    Actually smart native americans have already blended in to the society long ago. Those who married to the whites, their offspring is usually smart (as you know Bell Curve says Chinese race is smarter than whites) and hence blend in very well.

    The dumb ones struggle in reservations. That is the short answer....
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Its usually the smart ones who rebel and the dumb ones who want no trouble.
     

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