Better yet, you could say which fellow it is we're meant to care about here. That would be a good reference point against the ones you don't care about, among other things. As for the rest: still no difference between what happened to these theoretical individuals and those US citizens working for the Axis. Deviate away.
So you didn't even know who I was talking about and you were making statements? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I mentioned who it was you can go back and read it yourself. The reason I'm not posting again is because I'm done- re-read the first sentence of this post to understand why.
I actually do feel like the USA is becoming more of a police state. I don't think we're becoming religious fanatics and bigots like most of the middle east, however, I do feel our culture is changing to become more intolerant of freedoms I once took for granted. Also, most people are now dependent on the State. Which means they're unknowingly being sold off to China as the State borrows more money to pay for more entitlements. Take the TSA officer who took my toothpaste off me in LAX. She was a rude fat bitch who had a menial understanding of the English language. By her body language she was saying, if you want to f*ck with me, I will f*ck you up, ie: you are going to miss your flight, you're probably going to be out a bunch of money, and in the end you may get your f*cking toothpaste, but I will have the last laugh. Welcome Home and have Merry F*cking Christmas.... Compare with Japan. Everyone is service orientated, happy, smiling. I was eating food I made at home, took on the flight, flew into Japan, was still munching on a sandwich in bagging and right through customs. In the USA OTOH I was nearly anal probed for demanding my unopened toothpaste back for a internal flight. Not to mention the TSA trucks scattered around the city. It feels like a police state FMPOV. When I was a kid, even 16, the officer said Sir.
By the Gods, I was at the airport and ready to check in and was told I must have an out going ticket or I wouldn't be allowed to board the plan. I told them that no I do not need an out going ticket. ALL I need is any evidence that I will leave the country I am entering. A ticket is the most convenient but it's not the law. I was still told no. WTF??? I asked to see where on the ticket I purchased I was required to how an out going ticket. It didn't matter, the manager came over and briefly told me to get out of line and either purchase an return ticket from them or another airline or leave. Again, WTF?!?! I was "escorted" over to "Customer Service" and told (and I quote) I had "1 minute" to buy a ticket from them or someone else or miss my flight. In ANY other situation I would have told them to f off but in this case I HAD to make that flight. So, get this, I asked for the cheapest ticket. The lady said (I quote) "Oh, this is going to cost you" and was told the ticket was 3 times higher than normal. Not to mention all these airport "security" ass wipes, man, I am pissed off. I collected everyone's first name and wrote down my thoughts there and have since called customer service - which told me to lodge an online complain, which has went no where. I think the airport has become one of the biggest, shittiest, most intrusive, shit holes experiences one could stand. What used to be enjoyable, even a little exciting, has turned into an over prices air buss with complementary finger in your arse if you step out of line. I'm calling AGAIN tomorrow but am thinking of contacting my credit card company and telling them I am refusing to pay for that ticket.... Grrrrrrr....
MANY countries require you to have a Return Ticket to visit them if you don't have a Visa. It's NOT the airlines fault and they aren't scamming you (notice they didn't say you had to buy a return ticket on their airline). But the Airlines get FINED by these countries if they allow you to board a flight to their country without you having proof of a return trip ticket (can be other than a flight though). Don't believe me, do a Google search on: countries you need return ticket to fly to http://www.copaair.com/sites/cc/en/informacion-de-viaje/Pages/FAQ-Reservaciones.aspx#14 http://www.travellerspoint.com/forum.cfm?thread=77477 http://www.exploringuruguay.com/2009/08/26/you-either-need-a-visa-or-a-ticket-back-to-the-us…/ etc, etc Doesn't matter if you won't really need it like if you are going overland to another country etc. But the simple, inexpensive solution when you don't actually need a return trip is to buy a REFUNDABLE ticket which you can later return for what you paid for it, once you've cleared customs. Arthur
What BS. TSA doesn't care about you taking your sandwich on board. But liquids and pastes like Toothpaste is limited to a 3.4 oz tube. The rule is WELL Publisized: Only someone with a menial understanding of the TSA procedures would show up at security with a tube of Toothpaste that was more than 3.4 oz. Only someone with a menial understanding of an actual Airport would think it matters if it was an internal flight or not. Once past security, the TSA agents have no idea what flight you are going to get on. Grow up. Arthur
Well, I've logged a complaint and we'll see how it works out. All of the countries I know of that require an outgoing ticket also require a visa (Vietnam or China for example) and will not sell you the ticket without proof of when you are leaving (usually as an outgoing ticket). Most of the time you have to also have proof of your logging - sometimes a week or so paid in advance. If the airline has a policy then it must state that on my ticket (which is our legal agreement on what I must comply with but also what the airline agrees to provide to me [aka: air travel]). I have purchased many one way tickets from this airline in the past into Japan. This is the first time I was told anything other then: Welcome aboard sir. I could have simply shown up with a fake peace of paper that said I'm leaving Japan via a ship to Russia. What are they going to do? Check it? Make a note in their computer? I spoke to Immigration in Japan and they said no, I'm not required to have a return ticket to enter Japan. Online I read that what I'm required to have is "evidence" that I will leave the country within 90 days - this is most easily provided by a ticket, but it's not legally required to be a ticket. I've spoken with the so-called experts at their airline and they really have no idea why I was given this shitty run around - and so I logged a formal complaint and we'll see where that leads. I don't have a problem with the airline saying upfront, you must provide us with a blah blah blah or we will not sell you a ticket. That's their right as a private business. But, when I show up to board and I'm told I have "1 minute" to either purchase a ticket from them (or another airline... in 1 minute mind you) or I will not be allowed to board. Well, that's not legal - IMO. We had a legal agreement the day I purchased my ticket and it said NOTHING of an outgoing ticket. I don't care what the airlines "policy" is - we have a legal agreement and AFAIAK it's as simple as that. Anyway, we'll see how it turns out. NOTE: You know what else I noticed. When you purchase your ticket in Japan, it's much cheaper (by about $300, which would be a damn nice dinner for 4). I don't know why it's so much cheaper, (probably tax) but it is. I've checked both on the same day and that has been my experience.
That's bullshit. Where does the TSA get the authority to pass this law and enforce it? Where? Where does their authority even come from? Where was this law debated? When was it passed? Just because some peace of paper says "it's the Law" - I'm not necessarily convinced. This law covers all US citizens entering ANY port in the entire USA? Doesn't Congress usually pass these sorts of Laws? People wonder if we're getting closer to a police state, well I'm certainly not worried about some Islamic Terrorists and I'm fairly certain the TSA has never even caught a single "Terrorist" in the 5-10 years we've been forced to live under this tyranny. I'm almost convinced to buy the biggest tube of toothpaste I can buy in Japan and purposely putting it in plain site when I board! Some people like being pushed around and herded like cattle - I'm not one of them. Most Americans were proud NOT to be. We used to value our independence and liberty. We never took shit laying down. We always challenged authority. We always pushed back. I don't know when, but we're slowly transforming into a Nation of pansies that knock in the knees when an officer of the law confronts them. Cows, happily herded from one pen into another. Just don't hurt me Sir. Yeah: Obama, change you'd have to daft to believe in...
A little over a year ago me and afriend were walking to a theatre in Minneapolis and were suddenly surrounded by city police and a federal marshal. They pointed guns at us, searched us, shakled our arms behind our backs and locked us up in a cage in their car. They finally let us go because they were wrong. You are wrong when you threaten innocent lives. They were wrong of course because they had only suspicion, no evidence that made it resonable. I once talked to a lady who asked me a question at me from her car at a red light. Because I talked to her for just a brief moment I was hand cuffed and locked in that cage again in the car. I even went to jail for anight over the whole thing. Minneapolis. Once I was sketching a female model in a park down town Minneapolis, (I'm an artist) and we had two police come up and search all our stuff. There justification was that we had a Coke a Cola beverage we were drinking and people put liquor in the bottles. I recently saw a very polite neighbor handcuffed and locked in the cage of their car. They suspected he was robbing his own apartment. Go figure. Once the manager showed him on the lease, they had to let him go. I wached and listened from my window. He was polite and trying to tell theem this the whole time. They just acted like he was lying and said they wanted to hear the truth. I saw officers stationed all around a strip mall with rifles pointed at a comcast bill payment location. They were aiming across a major street (lots of cars) from one station point. There were many cars and civilians between them and comcast. I thought, if its so neccessary to have a place swarming with snipers why hasnt the public been cordoned off for there saftey? I had a guy steal some of my belongins and told a couple of police a block away. They refused to do anything about it even though I knew where the guy was, a block away. Minneapolis. I got hit by this old man in a car at an interseection on my bike. The old man stoppeed, Ipointed at my damaged bike and he just proceeded onto a pharmacy at that same strip mall above. I waved down a police officer, he just looked at me and ignored me and drove on. What if it was a baby in a stroller instead of my front tire. The cop didnt care to know apparently. This all in last two years. I dont consider it coincidence I've witnessed this all first hand. Cops in this country are idiots. Far from heroes like they should be. Cops dont need evidence and America kisses there ass. The more ass kissing that goes on with the legislation the closer it gets to a police staete. Its not a a sustainable policy, it invites more problems and is more expensive than respecting natural civil freedoms. We have the right to be left the fuck alone when no evidence exists of threat or harm toward innocent people. All suspicion is unreasonable. Evidence of guilt trumps.
Heading for a police state? I'd say we're in a "soft" police state. It's nice and cushy. We don't notice it's there b/c people don't try to exercise the freedom that is guaranteed them in the constitution. If they did, they would realize, it is already here.
It's not a law, it's a regulation. You don't get arrested for having a 6 oz tube of toothpaste, since you aren't breaking any law by having such, and indeed you can put it in your CHECKED luggage, but by REGULATION, you can't bring it on the plane with you if it is over 3.4 oz. And Congress created the TSA with this legislation: http://www.tsa.gov/assets/pdf/Aviation_and_Transportation_Security_Act_ATSA_Public_Law_107_1771.pdf And the TSA creates the regulations that it thinks are needed to keep passenger's safe. If they get carried away, then Congress can again step in and adjust the law that the TSA operates under. The KEY part of the TSA is that all screening is now done by the government (it was done by companies contracted by the airlines before) and done to the same standards at all airports. Go ahead. You'll be given the choice to keep your toothpaste with you and not fly, or put it in your checked bags and fly. Only being able to take 3.4 oz containers on board an aircraft is hardly being pushed around like cattle. You are WAY over reacting. Known attempts to bring down aircraft with on board liquid explosives give the govt a rational reason for limiting the fluids/pastes on board an aircraft to that volume.
