We don't know

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xmo1, Oct 5, 2017.

  1. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    I was created by life. Where did life come from? We don't know. It seems to have come from mixing components of the Universe (that we know). But ultimately, we don't know. The brain is my controller. I can't call it my brain, because I didn't cause it to be. Life did. I just know that my brain controls the behavior observed by others. I control my arms and legs at times, but way slower than the level of interactivity that my brain has with it's environment. I am a biological super-organism with a mouth that speaks. That's probably as close as I can come to describing myself. _Xmo(dem)
     
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  3. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Member

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    Argument for ignorance in 5, 4, 3, ...
     
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  7. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Member

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    Too verbose.
     
  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    What ever would give you the impression we have no way of "knowing" how life began nearly 4 billion years ago?
    And your brain is not "your" brain because you didn't cause it to be. Can you explain what parts of your body you did "cause to be"?

    Probably safe with biological but I would lay off the super

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  9. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    I (My conscious mind is a part of what my brain does, but it's not the only thing it does by far.) grew from DNA. DNA:life created my brain. It happened at a specific time and place. Where did DNA originate? No one knows.
    Super-organism may be a technical term. I got it from Bonnie Bassler on Ted.com : How bacteria "talk"
     
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  10. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Member

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    Do you intend to claim that because we don't know you can safely say that you know?
     
  11. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    Our existence arrived within, and from (DNA, aka Life is just part of it) the universe around us. . Lots of explosions and a lot of hot stuff, and smoking stars. Reminds me of a foundry, where the cold rocks are the slag, and the craftsman is pouring water (that would be us in my imagination) on his work.

    BTW, ESO Zooming into Antares - on top of the Milky Way in the red dust, the red dust looks to me like a human head, and upper torso with arms. I always thought it strange how our brains interact with pictures of smoke and fire by making and sending images to us that appear to be recognizable patterns. Clouds do it to.
     
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  12. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Member

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    There's a really good dragon's head in the Pillars of Creation.
     
  13. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    full screen, high def, around .04+ sec.; for more YT : European Southern Observatory (ESO) Zoom
     
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  14. Xmo1 Registered Senior Member

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    But you know what? I don't believe life came from the elements. I think life is or was something made by an intelligent something. So there are the elements, and intelligence that I have identified, and I separate them. The elements are visible. Intelligence is not. So it is faith that supports my belief. Statesmanship is not held in an element. I think the source of life is God. That's not saying much (tl:dw).
     
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  15. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I think you are another person who confuses a PROCESS with a INGREDIENT

    The elements are visible. Ingredient

    Intelligence is not. Process

    This is not a apple and orange comparison

    More like a ant to the Universe. Does not work because they (ant/Universe) do not even approximate comparison

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    Intelligence: 1. the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills. "an eminent man of great intelligence"
    synonyms: intellectual capacity, mental capacity, intellect, mind, brain(s), IQ, brainpower, judgment, reasoning, understanding, comprehension

    I can see that intelligence is process rather than ingredient.
    How about life?
    I haven't found a definition that would classify it into either ingredient or process. Dictionaries speak of it as the life force, or a quality distinct from death, and a principle (a principle or force that is considered to underlie the distinctive quality of animate beings).
    There is a difference between living and non-living things. Would you say that life is an ingredient or a process? The next question is did it arrive accidentally, or as the result of a process, or was it intentionally made. Either way, we don't know. No one to date has created life.
     
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    Again, I ran out of time to edit (with other things to do in the meanwhile). So annoying.

    Pull the argument into physics. Life is not one of the four fundamental forces attributable to the elements, but neither is it an element. As a force it would not be a process either. What are ideas and dreams? I would like to continue on with this post to explore what I hold to be true (my beliefs).
     
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    Life is a PROCESS

    Google life definetion. I found this

    life

    lʌɪf/

    noun

    noun: life; plural noun: lives; noun: one's life; plural noun: one's lifes

    1.

    the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

    "the origins of life"

    synonyms:existence, being, living, animation, aliveness, animateness; More
    entity, sentience, creation, survival, viability;

    rareesse

    "only a mother can appreciate the joy of giving life to a child"

    antonyms:death, non-existence

    living things and their activity.

    "lower forms of life"

    synonyms:living things, living beings, living creatures, the living; More

    human/animal/plant life, fauna, flora, ecosystems, creatures, wildlife;

    human beings, humanity, humankind, mankind, man, human activity;

    literary flesh

    "armaments that threaten to eliminate life on the planet"

    along with 4 other definetions

    Google life force. I found this

    life force

    noun

    noun: life force; noun: lifeforce

    the force that gives something its vitality or strength.

    "the passionate life force of the symphony"

    the spirit which animates living creatures; the soul.

    Note the all mysterious soul in this definition

    This is the classic attempt by, usually religious persons, to construct something tangible or perhaps they do not understand the difference, from something intangible as in a PROCESS

    My take on the "soul" is that it is an invented concept in order to explain what goes to heaven when you die

    It's the little bloke sitting in the brain pulling the strings so to speak. And when you die it's this little fellow that packs up your life time of memories, hikes off to heaven or hell to catch up with any relatives and / or mates there

    As with all metaphysical entities it does not exist

    It (life) came into being as a result of a process

    It certainly was not intentionally made
    (Fee fy foo rhyme
    I smell the scent of
    Intelligent Design)

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  20. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Through you the universe looks back at itself. As Carl Sagan once said: "We are made of star-stuff."
     
  21. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, I nearly quoted Allan Watts with that last post...


    “You are an aperture through which the universe is looking at and exploring itself.”

    --Allan W Watts
     
  22. Gawdzilla Sama Registered Member

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    We're all made of star corpses.
     
  23. Bowser Life is Fatal. Valued Senior Member

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    Yep.
     

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