Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Greatest I am, Apr 5, 2015.

  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Who made the serpent talk if not Satan?

    She, in Vatican art, could not speak without supernatural help. Who took her over to make her speak?

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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    QED.
     
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  5. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    ^

    Thanks for agreeing.

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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It was not agreement.

    "QED" stands for quod erat demonstrandum, a Latin term meaning "the above demonstrates what I stated." I posted that you do very little other than attack religion using leading questions, and posted a question so ludicrously leading that only you would post something like it. You not only agreed with it, but actually thought it was "great" - thus demonstrating what I stated.
     
  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Oh ya. Huf, huf.




    Just kidding.

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  9. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    I wish they wouldn't call them churches.

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  10. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I hear you. That word is supposed to mean something good. Not what they have become.

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  11. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    satan wasnt asking for equal rights, he was asking for more rights then he deserves
     
  12. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    That is a she unless you think men have women's breasts. Go see Michelangelo's Eden picture in the Vatican collection to see them.

    How do you know that she wanted more than she deserved and why would she not deserve them?

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  13. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    god does not have a gender but he thinks like a man
     
  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Modern Gods perhaps. Most of the older Gods were androgynous and strangely, so weas the Jewish God so if Jesus was born from that God and Mary, then Jesus was biologically a female.

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  15. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    jesus was a son of god till his transfiguration, when he became one with god so he was male
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yet Yahweh was androgynous to the Jews.

    Jesus has to be judged on his morals just like all the archetypes.

    Care to engage on a moral level?

    Human sacrifice is evil and your God demanding one and accepting one is evil.

    You trying to profit from that evil is evil. Do just a bit of thinking and you will agree.

    Imagine you have two children. One of your children does something wrong – say it curses, or throws a temper tantrum, or something like that. In fact, say it does this on a regular basis, and you continually forgive your child, but it never seems to change.

    Now suppose one day you’ve had enough, you need to do something different. You still wish to forgive your child, but nothing has worked. Do you go to your second child, your good child, and punish it to atone for the sins of the first?

    In fact, if you ever saw a parent on the street punish one of their children for the actions of their other child, how would you react? Would you support their decision, or would you be offended? Because God punished Jesus -- his good child -- for the sins of his other children.

    Interestingly, some historical royal families would beat their slaves when their own children did wrong – you should not, after all, ever beat a prince. The question is: what kind of lesson does that teach the child who actually did the harm? Does it teach them to be a better person, to stop doing harm, or does it teach them both that they won't themselves be punished, and also that punishing other people is normal? I know that's not a lesson I would want to teach my children, and I suspect it's not a lesson most Christians would want to teach theirs. So why does God?

    For me, that’s at least one significant reason I find Jesus’ atonement of our sin to be morally repugnant – of course, that’s assuming Jesus ever existed; that original sin actually exists; that God actually exists; etc.

    Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

    Do you agree?

    If not, please show how it is morally and legally good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty, bearing in mind that all legal systems think that punishing the guilty is what is justice.

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  17. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    god did not torture his son. the people did. and to blame god for what people did is what you are doing
     
  18. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

    Can God choose to have Jesus killed without deciding who will kill him?

    No he cannot. If one piece is preordained in a mosaic, then all pieces are.

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  19. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    god did not choose him to die, you misunderstand the text.
     
  20. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    And no 1 can die for me without my approval.
    And what great sacrifice was it to finally do what he came to do then go on to live happily ever after in paradise.

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  21. akoreamerican Registered Senior Member

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    people chose him to die, god chose him as his anointed one.
     
  22. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    You are too dumb for me if you cannot understand that simple quote or give a correction in a post claiming error.

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  23. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I hear you. Christians have believed garbage from the day the decimated the Gnostic Christians. The thinking part of Christianity.

    We are back and they have been slowly going down for quite a while now. Islam will follow them soon as people are fed up with destructive and immoral religions and their imaginary Gods.

    Jesus preached to seek the living God and not the dead ones in books and spiritual people are opting for that and not the misogynous and homophobic ones.

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    DL
     

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