Was Judas Jesus’ hero and most trusted disciple?

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  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Was Judas Jesus’ hero and most trusted disciple?

    Remember that Judas was Jesus’ banker or treasurer.

    [video=youtube;F32-J425ArA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F32-J425ArA[/video]


    Without the so called betrayal, Jesus would not have died for us.

    Yet scriptures show Jesus persuading Judas to do what he would not ordinarily have thought of doing.

    Judas believed that Jesus was not to die as the old prophesies said that he would live and lead.

    [video=youtube;4ott15j2KwQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ott15j2KwQ&feature=related[/video]

    Was Judas the hero of Jesus’ drama or was he a villain?

    Was the story of Judas strictly spiritual or was he a real character?

    If real to you, was Jesus sent here to live or was he sent to die?

    The Jewish tradition says Jesus was to live and lead and Judas’ depression induced suicide says that he thought the same.

    Was Judas a good man doing Jesus’ will or was he a traitor?

    Regards
    DL
     
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  3. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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  5. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    Also depends on if you agree with the Catholic Church who threw out the Gospel of Judas as non-canon. It paints a much different picture, with Judas as the one Jesus was the closest to, and he wasn't a traitor so much as the one entrusted in doing what it took to make the prophecy happen.
     
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  7. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    All of scriptures are allegory and myths so there can be many viable scenarios.

    That is why they were written as is from MPOV.

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    DL
     
  8. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Good point.

    I found this interesting for both Paul and Judas.

    [video=youtube;E1ulq07LIMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1ulq07LIMM[/video]

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  9. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    The doctrine of atonement does not have its origin in the gospels of Jesus...but rather Paul and later theologians, who never even met Jesus.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atonement_in_Christianity


    In the garden of Gethsemane Jesus makes two things clear.

    1. That he did not consider himself to be consubstantial with God.

    2. That he did not WANT this fate of crucifixion.
     
  10. arauca Banned Banned

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    Was Judas Jesus’ hero and most trusted disciple?

    So don't trust your friends specially with money.
     
  11. arauca Banned Banned

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    The flesh is weak but His spirit and obedience and loyalty were strong which Judas did not have.
     
  12. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I read Judas Thaddeus, and Judas Iscariot were written as the same men by early Christians, does anyone know about that? Thanks.
     
  13. arauca Banned Banned

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    I have the impression Thadeus was the brother of Jesus
     
  14. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    The Judas story was simply intended to demonstrate the issue of betrayal and where greed can compromise loyalty to another. This is a valuable lesson/reminder for all of us - is material wealth of greater value than that of loyalty and trust. In this matter the Judas myth does a good job and is often referenced in modern literature as an example of an ultimate betrayal.

    I see no reason to complicate the lesson with unnecessary speculations and twists.
     
  15. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    We will never truly know but believe by faith just what's truly written.
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yet the story shows him waiting for the authorities.
    All he had to do was leave the area.

    Looks like he wanted to die.

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    DL
     
  17. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    That is why Christianity kept it simple. For those without the ability to think.

    Never mind that it is not scriptural or makes no sense the way they read it.


    Then again, Christians have no clue as to how to read scriptures in the first place. That is why it was outlawed for so long.

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  18. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Literal faith in a book that begins with a talking snake and ends with a seven headed monster. And they are all real. LOL.


    It would be funny if it was not so pathetic.

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    DL
     
  19. Carcano Valued Senior Member

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    Leaving the area would not guarantee his liberty.

    Remember, he asked God to "take this cup from me".

    Above all, he wanted to follow the will of God...and must have decided that crucifixion was his divine destiny.

    This does not then imply however that he believed in some 'doctrine of atonement'...later conjured up by Paul and other theologians.
     
  20. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

    I don't care where it was dreamed up. It is immoral.

    If you think Jesus would have hung around when he could have just walked away then our logic and reason do not match.

    You are wrong.

    Regards
    DL
     

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