Was Jesus, a victim of self aggrandizing suicide.

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  1. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    the trinity is not that difficult to understand. the father is the law by which everything is created and destroyed, the holy spirit is just that...a spirit, and jesus is a perfect human according to that law (that's why he's referred to as the fulfillment of the law). so easy.
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    What's a spirit?
     
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  5. Lori_7 Go to church? I am the church! Registered Senior Member

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    google it.
     
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  7. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    What did I read literally? For me the Apocalypse book is nothing but the metaphorical description of our own death (individual) and the confrontation from our own fears and desires created by the nourished ego during our whole life (3 headed monster - body, mind and self).

    If it would have been literal, we probably wouldn't have that scripture right now (it most probably would have been destroyed as many other scriptures).

    None of the above, the reference to a virgin mother is just a metaphorical description to a “pure woman” as in innocent. It is very poetical actually.
    An innocent woman is not necessarily a “physical virgin”, but a woman who does not have un-pure thoughts, and the sex is out of pure love, as opposed to out of lust as it most commonly is.

    I guess your other two questions are rhetoric so… If still you want to believe that the scripture is referring to a physical virgin birth, that is your choice; I think is beautiful poetry, the virgin birth is ridiculous if you look at it literally.
     
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  8. Regular0ldguy This is so much fun! Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, there definitely would have been some questions.

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  9. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    wouldn't it be more easier to be like Jesus if he were a normal person? (or at least more inspired by Jesus)
    they missed that point when they canonized the bible..
    but i also wonder how much of 'do as your told' was needed back then?
     
  10. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    from here;
    "If the persecuted person "turned the other cheek," the discipliner was faced with a dilemma. The left hand was used for unclean purposes, so a back-hand strike on the opposite cheek would not be performed.The other alternative would be a slap with the open hand as a challenge or to punch the person, but this was seen as a statement of equality. Thus, by turning the other cheek the persecuted was in effect demanding equality."

    so turning the other cheek in essence was a person 'stepping up' and NOT backing down.
     
  11. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Just a comment on the 'virgin birth'.

    Do your research on the hymen.

    A women can get pregnant without having her hymen broken or having coitus. Sperm does have a way of getting around or 'happening'.

    That's a very interesting interpretation, Wisdom Seeker.

    Where women are concerned, I would venture to say that sex out of lust is not the most common reason for my species to agree to participate.

    It's a 'damned if you do, and damned if you don't' scenario.

    Many lustful men will seek comfort in the arms of another, and some less confident women will offer their virtue in the hopes of retaining the interest of the male.

    Not wishing to take this thread off topic, but felt it appropriate to respond to that 'most commonly is' bit, in defense of my species, especially after querying the virgin birth in my post.

    I am so damned by the true believers now.

    To quote a teen......"Whatever......"
     
  12. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Hi Scheherazade, I apologize for my un-prudent comment; let me refrain my words:
    This applies to both genders:
    The motive and quality of sex for most people today is not love, because to find true love nowadays is rare to find. Courage, trust, self-respect and self-love are prerequisites of true love for your “significant other”, and all of these characteristics are very strange today.
    Nevertheless, whatever your initial motive may be, if you engage in sexual intercourse without true love for your partner, lust is almost an inevitable emotion. I say “almost”, because there is a lower state than that: indifference.
    Love is the transforming agent in the equation, if one engages in love-making with one’s partner, with love one’s heart, the sex takes a different quality; the energy starts moving “upwards” to higher centers of being, as opposed to move “downwards” which is the natural course for sexual energy. This is referred to in Vedic literature as “tantric sex”. To speak in common language, the love becomes stronger in quality and intensity during the act itself.

    So my interpretation of the Jesus’ mom being a “virgin”, is that she never engaged in non-loving sex, sort of speak. And therefore, her thoughts, emotions and heart were innocent, and pure.
     
  13. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you for that clarification, Wisdom Seeker. I see your earlier remark in a much more comprehensive context now.

    You are a thoughtful individual, by your posts, and so I posed the question.

    Once again, thank you for sharing your interpretation.
     
  14. murdoch Simply Psychic! Registered Senior Member

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    I follow humanistic line or simply put secular one. Sometimes one needs to ignore religious line considering time, place and situation while keeping in strict line with what actually ones moral values and social ethos expect him to do. I hope you got the answer back there with regard to lady thing...

    Thanks for alerting me! I guess you need to get more deep delving into the realms of such things before making such views about anyone. May be it's the surrounding you and me living around matters our pattern of thoughts.
     
  15. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I did better. I made sons. With my wife,s help of course.
    I do not have a flying miracle working absentee God to blame my actions on.
    Some of us do not need to place our responsibilities on others.

    Regards
    DL
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    So if nothing real, or literal, points to a real Jesus, how do you come up with a real Jesus?

    Regards
    DL
     
  17. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Not the traditional view but then everyone seems to make u their own Gods nowadays.

    Regards
    DL
     
  18. Hesperado Don't immanentize the eschaton Registered Senior Member

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    That's a gigantic aside -- large enough to drive a Roman chariot through.
     

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