Odin'Izm, that was a far better responce than I was expecting. I commend you for remaining civil. Damned decent of you. Let's get down to a decent, but somewhat long winded, debate. To be completely honest with you, that is one of the first time I've ever had to say that. In fact, I was caught completely by surprise by your post as I've never had to defend this past-time before. New experience. If this is the case, I can understand slightly better why you would not be as drawn into the Warhammer universe as it does contain similar conventions as the bog standard space operas. However, I must put forward the point that I believe that this particular one has the scope and potential to be a lot deeper than others of it's ilk. I would like to argue this point. I would not say it was badly written, it's just not written to the same standard as some of the Science Fiction greats you mentioned. As I said in my previous post, I read the books for the story and the background information. I find it fascinating that in this universe humanity is not how we would like to see ourselves in the future. Also, I would like to add that I do read what you would consider "decent fiction" alongside these. But I suppose I just have a deeper appreciation for the Warhammer stories than you would. A bit like how a detective would appreciate a good crime novel because he understands the workings behind it Agreed. But with eBay and a resourceful mind you can create wanders from trash Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Given the choice of having the youth of today sit around and watch TV and play video games or doing something creative such as Warhammer (not saying that it's TV or Warhammer, I'm saying it can be one example)...I would rather have them play Warhammer. And I am someone who enjoys video games and the odd TV show so there's no bias there. With Warhammer you create something to how you want it, you then make it look how like how you want it then you field them in battle where superior tactics win and you socialise with others with various in-store activities or game nights at a local club. It's also a good excuse to get a few beers and pizzas in Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! This I can agree on. I could never see myself painting a picture on a blank canvas...not without resorting to stick people anyway. However, there is quite a bit of skill required to painting these things. This is apparent when you look at someone who has just started and compare what they have done to what someone who has been playing for 20+ years has done. These people are usually scandinavian, so we can hate them for that. I used to spend an absurd amount on it. I had more money than I was used to and just blew it on this. Kept me occupied, little projects here and there. But I say, if you have the means to do it, then do it. But this is not a constant thing. Sure I've been playing it for about 15years, but that doesn't mean I've been spending money on it non-stop for 15years. No-one could. Hell, there was a period of 3 years where I didn't even know where my paints were. Now that is a shame. I'm beginning to see where you are coming from. See, where I am the local Games Workshop attracts people from all ages and walks of life. We have people aged between 7 all the way to 50+ (it's rude to ask, so we just assume). And as I live near Portsmouth, home of the Royal Navy, we get a lot of military types in as well. We even get foreign sailors who ever collect or are interested by this "bizarre" store. Never a dull moment. That's flattering n' all but lets stop the talk about my giblets please.