Warhammer ships do indeed have shields, but that isn't the point: Trek ships cannot fight at warp speed with any efficiency at all and if they could just randomly hop to warp at all times they would've done so countless of times in the various Trek episodes. So no, dodging around via warp speed is not a solution. Also there isn't anything saying that the Warp itself won't just swallow an Emperor Class Battleship and conveniently send it directly into the path of a Trek ship warping away thus causing a collision. While your argument of "Trek can beam anywhere" has some merit you forget that the Necrons can do the same thing and with Psykers the Imperium can do the same thing. Also there's no evidence that Trek weaponry is anymore powerful than 40k and if you do you better bring it up. You seem to forget that the Imperium isn't the only faction out there.
btw I have been playing Fire worrior very good game, and it just shows the powers of chaos....damn chaos space marines *remembers the last thing he saw was a chaos bolter*
See, now the W40k folks have gone back to magic. Magic has no bearing on the Trek universe, and thus is an unfair comparison. Clearly pure magic will win over pure technology. I have no qualms with saying that. Tech to tech, Trek would win. Magic to tech, unfortunately, Trek would lose. Unless of course Seven of Nine, Miles O'Brien or Geordi LaForge invents a shield modulation that stops all magic frequencies. Seven, Miles and Geordi always seem to find a shield modulation Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! In that event watch out. And then there's Q (et al). Steiner...the only limitation with battling at Warp is phasers, which being directed energy can only travel as fast as light. Various torpedoes with (stripped down) warp engines are used for FTL battles (photon, quantum etc).
dude 40k starships are floating gun platforms trek loses tech to tech to god 10 to 20 eldar escorts could shred any fleet in the trek universe
In this thread anything that is Cannon can be used so for Warhammer that means games books and comics, ST the movies and the shows.
Okay, I'm just going off of what I recall from 2nd edition 40K (3rd edition sucked the life out of the game by majorly dumbing it down and taking out most of the cool stuff - I stopped playing it), Battle Fleet Gothic, and Space Hulk. (Does anyone remember Space Hulk, or am I showing my age here?) 40K has teleporters, and they're regularly used to deploy troops to the surface during combat, move people from one ship to another, etc. Some troops are even equipped with personal teleports built into their armor that allow them to jump around on a planet's surface (or wherever) at their leisure. They also have a wide variety of teleport jammers, teleport beacons that help punch through teleport jammers, etc. Heck, some of the people in 40K can teleport themselves (or others) with their own psychic powers. Standard weapons include bombs, missiles, and beam weapons that open rifts into other dimensions or twist the fabric of space over wide areas to destroy virtually any solid object, regardless of what material it's made of or how it's shielded. In addition to personal teleporters, many of the better troops in 40k come with standard personal force fields and personal cloaking devices (did Harlequin fields even make it into 3rd edition?). And that's just the "normal" humans.
We Know the Mighty Imperium of Man would crush all alien races in ST they would ask the Fed to join them and if they didnt well they would all die, Now Necron vs borg, Kligon vs ork, Q vs Chaos gods.
Now I'm no expert on Warhammer or Star Trek but from what I know about the two I would have to go with Warhammer in both space and land. The ships of warhammer have extremly powerful weapons AND are very strong strucurly speaking. To my knowledge many of the ships in the Imperium of Man can lose most of their armor plateing and still be able to hold their own. When it comes to the other races I cant say much ship wise (My knowledge is mainly with the imperium). Even if your take away the "magic" aspect of it Star Trek would lose. And as to the killing a 1/4 million people with one blast, to the Imperium that would be a drop in the bucket. The Imperium is consited of TRILLIONS of people. Although many are civilions they can be trained to fight if it came down to it. The space marines are extremly sturdy themselves, you can blow their legs off and they will still be able to take on most star fleet personel. The Orks have numbers and strength. They may be crude but they can take punisment. if you cut off an Orks arm and it runs out of ammo it will start to beat it's opponents with it's severed arm. The Eldar may not be the most powerful strength wise, but they have pure speed at their disposel. You can't kill what you can't hit. The Tau might be in trouble if the Klingons get in close, but as long as they have distance on their side they will slaughter.The Tyranids will just swarm you till you die, the Borg have nothing on them. And Chaos is, well it's Chaos need I say any more?
Well what you say about tau isnt true tau have kroot on their side and vespids tau themeslfs can fight in melee as well, they may not be any stronger than a normal human male but they can fight in hand to hand combat well enough that if it comes down to it they could hold their own.
The God-Emperor Of Mankind may not even be alive so much as exist as a vaguely alive clump of cells. The last time he defeated a demon was, what, thousands of years ago?
Yes but go look up the Star child theory, and remember anything that is canon can be used even if it is dead* which the emperor isnt so before he was put in the golden throne that time line can still be used
"The Emperor and Horus engaged one another, battling both physically and psychically. Though the Emperor's psychic gifts and martial skills were unequalled, he found himself unwilling to summon his full power against his first son. He suffered grievous wounds at his fallen son's hands, and after score of thrusts, parries and counter-thrusts, Horus opened the Emperor's jugular and severed the tendons in his right wrist. A psychic blast seared the flesh from the Emperor's face, bursting an eye. After tearing the Emperor's right arm from its socket, Horus raised his father high over his head, and broke his back over his knee. At that moment, a lone Adeptus Custodes warrior entered the bridge. Horus showed him the Emperor's broken form and laughed mockingly at the Custode. He roared and charged the Warmaster immediately, only to be flayed alive by a psychic blast from Horus. [In previous editions of the tale, an Imperial Fist or Blood Angel Terminator attacked Horus; in older versions, the deed is ascribed to an Imperial Guardsman named Ollanious Pious] The casual brutality of the act galvanised the Emperor. Realising at last that his favoured son was truly lost to the corruption of Chaos, the Emperor finally mustered his full power, and unleashed a lance of pure Warp energy that pierced the gloating Horus's defenses. So powerful was the attack that the Chaos Gods themselves recoiled in terror, withdrawing rapidly from their mortal pawn. Just before Horus died, he looked his father in the eye, shedding a single tear. The Emperor saw regret in his fallen son's eyes. He also knew Chaos could attempt to possess Horus once more, and that he would not be there to halt him a second time. Driving all compassion from his mind, the Emperor obliterated Horus from the mortal plane."
"The Star Child Theory was introduced early in the Realm of Chaos books and later in the 3rd Edition Warhammer 40,000 guide. The Theory is not based so much on the Emperor's origin, but on the Emperor's future origin. Like the Thorians, those who believe in the Star Child Theory hope for the reincarnation of the Emperor. Central to the belief is that the Emperor's spirit is connected to the Warp and drifts through its cosmic expanses. After Horus rebelled and destroyed the Emperor's mortal frame, his spirit could no longer stay as one. Separated and disconnected, his spirit was no longer connected to any of his previous humanity except for one tiny part which was like a Child lost in the Warp. Since the Emperor's soul survived, there was a chance that his whole essence could be reborn once more. Like those that died together to combine and form the Emperor, so too could the Emperor's death lead into a new savior. However, the destruction left his essence like a Child that needed to be developed over time. Like the Chaos gods, his essence would be reawakened when the desires of mankind called out for him. He would be the god of humanity, its savior. The soul of the Emperor cast amongst the warp is the Star Child. The humans that were left in the Imperium had no real understanding of what had happened to the Emperor, but some, like the Thorians, speculated on how the Emperor could be reborn. Though the Emperor's body continued to live in his Golden Throne and he continued to be a beacon for humanity, his true power waited for the day that humanity would need him most. He was a god waiting to be born and a broken mortal shell that used his last energy to protect humanity until his rebirth."
i would just like to give praise to the 'eavy metal' team and other artists who paint the warhammer models. some of the models are amazing and it is a skill that is hard to perfect, i know because i have painted many of the models myself before, also i give praise to the designers who initialy sculpt the models to begin with, again that is a decent talent and skill, i enjoy looking at the painted models alot. peace.
