Revolutionary hero: Ernesto "El Che" Guevara (Don't cry for me Argentina ). Born into an intellectual upper class family in 1928 in Buenos Aires, Argentina, this frail asthmatic kid and sometime medical student was a dreamer and he carried his dreams on a motorbike from Argentina all the way to Central America and on to Cuba where he became a national hero to the Cuban people fighting besides Fidel Castro and eternally admired by the people of South and Central America and even some here in the US. A Fidel Castro that was being threatened by US imperialism after his uprooting of the corrupt US puppet Fulencio Bautista, who had turned this immaculate emerald Carribean island into the center of drug traffiking, prostitution, under the control of US gangsters and suffering from all the ills of the American culture. El Che, fought CIA financed traitors in the Siera Madre mountains of Cuba, often gagging from his asthmatic attacks, but he lead his fighters "from the front" and he never allowed his human frailities to make him quit. Oh, how life has changed, for today we have cowards and losers at the helm, here in America, sending men to shed their blood and sacrifice their lives and limbs in the battles of an all out war. Battles, they have dodged themselves when their country called them to fight for they lacked the "HUEVOS," to say, "Why not!" El Che, we was assassinated by CIA financed forces in Bolivia on October 09, 1967, but his memory lives, BIGGER AND STRONGER as time has passed and like John F. Kennedy, his memory will never be forgotten by the people faught by his siade and his admirers who saw his rise from wide eyed student to a stern faced, but always even handed REVOLUCIONARY, a genuine hero to the people of the America's as the eternal symbol of total rejection of US imperialim and despotism. I can call him the O'Sammy bin Laden RELOADED because he did not fear the 900 lb. gorilla del EL NORTE - in fact, he kicked him in the CHOPS at evey opportunity. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Viva "EL CHE - VIA LA REVOLUCION, VIVA!" Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Epilog. As we see today's, liars, draft dodgers and cowards that pose as the "hero's" of the American Republic, one gets a queasy feeling in his gut and wonders how the world has gone from the Caesars, the Napoleon's, the General McArthur's down to our sissyfrass smirking draft dodger George W. Bush and his cabal of Israel 1st'ers in our search for 21st century hero's. Whirlwind.... For more info on the life & times of Ernesto "El Che" Guevarra, see: http://www.popsubculture.com/pop/bio_project/ernesto_che_guevara.html Note: Excellent book on the LIFE & TIMES of the perpetually admired EL CHE. "CHE" By: Lee Anderson, 815 pages, Grove Press Books. $19.95
Here is an even greater irony Whirlwind John Wayne and Ronald Reagan 2 of Americas greatest icons of Patriotism both were draft dodgers ! Neither would have the balls that Che' had that was a real warrior .
Actually, Che was granted a slow and painful death by being shot in the legs to make it look like he was killed in combat. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! It saddens me that his image was used was commercial benefit, the guy that took the photo in Cuba never even received a penny because the dont believe in copywrite as they believed it was a capitalist tool. Che would be spinning in his grave if he knew what was going on in the world today Im sure.
ACES! Another craptacular thread by Whirlwind! I've never understood the pedestal he's been put on. He was a completely inept military leader, for one thing, and was brought down in a rather unceremonious manner. (go go Felix Rodriguez!) He's a hero to angsty crybaby bedwetting white middle-class suburban kids who really haven't a clue as to his true legacy, so I suppose there's an interest somewhere. I love it when his posters are held at those stupid fucking Marxist rallies here and there, and emblazoned on album covers of shitty "activist" bands who are unconsciously exactly what they despise. DOWN WITH CAPITALISM! (brought to you in part by Sony music!)
Now who sent him to Bolivia? Castro Fucked Che over. Che was dumb enough to fall for it. As if America is the only country to use the CIA. Sheesh Dee Cee
Che went to Bolivia on his own wishes to try and start a continental revelution but got fucked over by the Bolivian communist party. He hoped that there would be a dominoe effect, after seeing Bolivia.
If Che kicked America in the chops at every opportunity, then why are you offended that America would want him killed?
I have friends who escaped from Cuba a few years ago and they're not singing any praises of Che or Castro. I guess some things look better when you're not the one who actually has to live with them. Che did not succeed in Bolivia because the Bolivian government was relatively popular among the people and the peasants kept giving up his whereabouts. Whirlwind, if you think Cuba has the right idea, I'm certain you could apply for citizenship. Then you can do more than just talk the talk.
after being a puppet state for 61 years, do you think Cuba was better off with Yankee, Mob, & oligarcy rule? do your friends still remember if there was poverty before Castro? ask them, "who made the money during Batista's rule? whose pockets were llined? who owned the industries, manufacturing, import & export trades? ask them about black Cubans before & after Castro" Are all your Cuban friends 'white Cubans'? Ask them why, if Cuba is 60% black, almost all the Cubans that fled Cuba are white? Why is that? Some racial info: http://www-personal.ksu.edu/~jbex/us-cuba-int.htm http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:...ing'sPaper.pdf racial breakdown of cuba&hl=en the good thing about the US is, you can say just about anything you feel like, First Amendment, remember? You don't have to move to what ever country, just because you agree with something about it, or just because your views are unpopular. Besides, just like dirtfarmers, some people just ain't gonna move, & yeah, we don't think like you or look like you, get use to it.
actually, he's a hero to Chicanos everywhere, not afraid to fight the US imperialist monolith. Communism may be a failed system, but at least people thought about their futures, & fought for them, not like those angsty crybaby bedwetting white middle-class suburban kids, you know; Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc.. at least Che died for a cause, unlike the aforementioned Chickenhawks that send others to their deaths, but when their time came, they chickened out, & hid behind technicalities http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NH... NEWS; Chickenhawks; Chickenhawk Headquarters ask yourself why they fought? you think Cubans liked foreign boots on their necks?
He died for a cause? Big fuckin' deal. So did Timothy McVeigh. What's your point? He was unafraid to fight the U.S. imperialist monolith? Great. And he was supported by Cuba, who was turn in supported by the Soviet imperialist monolith. Cuba was a puppet state before Castro, and it was a puppet state after he assumed power. Communism's a failed system? Yeah, and Michael Jackson's eccentric.
just because the US is a democratic republic, doesn't stop it from acting like an imperialistic, anti-democratic, terrorist organization or do you think you can deny that? so, are you willing to die for a cause, or are you all talk? what cause would you feel is worth dying for? and, what is your point?
First, how can you condemn the United States as an "imperialistic, anti-democratic, terrorist organization" after referring to Communism as a "failed system." The United States frequently fucks up, I'll grant, but there's never been anything close to the level of the gulag system or the Cultural Revolution. Second, my point is that dying for a cause isn't inherently noble. In fact, I'd take the opposite view. The same people who are willing to die for a cause are usually the people willing to kill for a cause. Che was executed, and Che executed.
Randolfo, I made a specific point about people I know from Cuba who know more about what Whirlwind is talking about than he does. You think picking a worse system for the sake of spiting the US makes someone a hero? Of course Batista was crap, but if our argument that we replaced Hussein because he was bad is unacceptable because we have not managed to replace him with something better then I am using the same criteria. Batista was bad, Castro is also bad. What's your point? Castro was an opportunist who saw a situation in which he and his ego could live happily together for a very long time. Che was his muscle, whether he realized it or not. The people's future had little or nothing to do with it. Not all of my Cuban friends are white either. What's that got to do with it? So Che wasn't afraid to fight the "US imperialist monolith" as you so predictably put it. Yawn. Fighting for the sake of fighting is a really bad idea. (At least, that's what everybody's always telling Americans, isn't it?)
Come now Star! Randolfo is right! Communism works wonders! Look at the standard of living in Communist countries Vs. Democracies. Obviuosly the people in Communist countries are living the high life with nice houses with big yards while we suckers in democracies are living in cold cement housing projects. Look at how Communist governments treat their people! Stalin killed 25 Million of his people, and Mao killed another 25 Million. Us poor democratic people on the other hand have to suffer the constant burden of Hippies, WASPS, and Yuppies. We have it sooo bad. Yes, I do miss poor Che. I was really hoping that someone could clone him so he can start a revolution here! We have it sooo bad compared to those commies!
Whirliebird, Do you respect Che for fighting for what he (mistakenly) believed in. Or do you respect the failed concept he was fighting for?
If your going to make a comparison, it should be between communism vs capitalism, not communism vs democracy because firstly: Communism is entirely compatible with democracy & capitalist countries arent true democracies. There are no "communist" countries, all socialist totalarian dictatorships, not communist countries. The USSR, China, DPRK, Cuba, etc are not what you would call communism, it has just been branded that way by the west. Whirliewind is banned and cannot hear us. Che was pretty bad at the revelution, he played a part in the revelution in Cuba sure, but they took advantage of a situation, he failed in Belgian Congo and Bolivia so he failed more times than he was successful.
Also, Che saw the oversee*n the execution* of 500 political prisoners when he was put in charge of a prison after the revelution in Cuba I think.
Captain: How does communism compare to democracy? I fail to see the similarities. But then again, all 'communism' as we know has lead to a dictorship. By definition, wouldnt everyone be equal? ahhhh so then in theory it would be a democracy *lol* Well democracy in that sense doesnt work either. As far as an economic comparison, communism is inherently flawed. Che seems to be nothing more than a Ghostly Hero. Personally, I would take Pancho Villa over Che.
