# vitamins

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by R1D2, Mar 15, 2012.

1. ### C CConsular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy"Valued Senior Member

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That's one of the circumstances that got my cousin hooked on them. Just to prove a point to me, she volunteered to be a lab rat by doing without her vitamins and supplements for three months, to demonstrate that her adult acne, dandruff problems, mouth ulcerations, and increased susceptibility to mundane illnesses would return. I got so tired of her updating on me her latest canker sores, pimples, and scalp snowstorms that I told her to quit after 7 weeks. I suspect she's one of those people with a diminished ability to absorb only certain nutrients, but she's convinced that she must keep taking the whole works to escape adolescent disfigurement arising from the grave again. That might well be for the best, anyway, for assembled reasons that would take too many ScienceDaily articles to track down. When it comes to a B-complex, though, she seems to require at least 50 milligrams of each vitamin precursor rather than the tinier standards of common multi-vitamins.

3. ### scheherazadeNorthern Horse WhispererValued Senior Member

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It is perhaps wise to remember that vitamins alone are not a 'magic bullet' and how much change you experience and how quickly it comes will depend on your whole lifestyle and diet.

From my experience of working with endurance sled dogs and showing horses, we observed that it usually took two to three months to reach the maximum benefit from shifting up the diet and adding supplements.

Changes were observable from about the first week onward.

Observable changes in dogs and horses include more efficient digestion and elimination, more energy, more endurance, better attitude, stronger nails and hooves, more durable pads on the dogs, shiny hair-coat, improved capillary refill, clear eyes and mucous membranes, softer skin with less scurf (similar to dandruff).

Conditioning the body and mind is a gradual process, and lifestyle changes are best done gradually with consistence and persistence. One encounters plateaus on occasion, when it seems like nothing more is happening but these are merely readjustment periods, in my observation.

Change is the one constant in life and as we mature and change our activities we may also need to keep refining our diet and/or supplements because our needs and our ability to absorb various nutrients also changes over time.

After not taking any supplements for over a year, I recently started back on an A-Z myself, just to top up any deficiencies that may have accrued over the winter.

One of the first things I noticed within a week is that I am calmer in the face of the never ending 'operational difficulties' that arise at the workplace.

Don't sweat the small stuff and in the end, it's really all small stuff.

5. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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I have always had recurring mouth sores, or canker sores. The vitamins have helped with them but I seem to have spoken a little too soon, because I have one now. Maybe it will be shorter this time?...

7. ### scheherazadeNorthern Horse WhispererValued Senior Member

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I'm sorry to hear of your plight, R1D2. My brother suffers canker sores but he lives a life of constant stress (to himself and others, lol) and his diet is pure processed crap and takeout.

In my memory, I have never suffered a cold sore and the few times I have had cankers I could trace to biting my cheek accidentally or overindulging in store bought candy. Good chocolate seems not to bother me but all that other stuff they call 'confectionery' I generally avoid now that I have figured this out.

I did a quick search for some helpful aids you might try, as follows:

http://stevemark122000.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Treat-and-Prevent-Canker-Sores

I brush my teeth at least once a week with straight baking soda on a damp toothbrush and use a herbal toothpaste from Germany the rest of the time.. I'm wondering if that might be why I seem to have fewer such concerns.

Anyway, only four hours before I have to get up and head to work so I have to scamper. I'll catch you up the trail a piece....

8. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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I will surely look into this. I may need to write it down. But I guess I do favor some of the negatives you listed. Red meats, fried foods, sweet tea (southern favorite) I have slacked off of chocolate. The last few years but I do like a little now an then. I also do not smoke or drink....

9. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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Alcohol that is of any form. An I thought yogurt was a dairy product..

10. ### C CConsular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy"Valued Senior Member

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You or most will probably not benefit much from them in that regard. My cousin is one of the rare ones whose skin-related problems really did seem to stem from a nutrient deficiency (somewhere in the mix). For instance, I take a minor dose of magnesium (daily) because the neck aches that once plagued me like a migraine have disappeared. But the same tablet/brand does nothing for a former neighbor with similar complaints. I can't exactly blame it on a placebo effect because the neck aches weren't even why I started taking magnesium. In fact, it was only after I stopped after several months and the neck aches returned that I finally made the connection to the source of the relief (duh!).

11. ### wynn˙Valued Senior Member

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Try with some fresh ginger: cut thin slices and suck before bedtime or during the day.

12. ### scheherazadeNorthern Horse WhispererValued Senior Member

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Yogurt is indeed a dairy product but the process of fermentation by helpful bacteria completely changes its nature and makes it user-friendly even for many people who cannot tolerate other forms of dairy.

From Wikipedia:

Wynns suggestion in regard to ginger might also prove helpful.

13. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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Yes. All great information to look into really appreciate the help

14. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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Not sure. But I mowed my yard. The last couple times. An instead of getting done an "suffering" like I do from all the dust an what not. The bee pollen may have helped with the allergies I usually have after mowing. That is what I'm not sure about. The bee pollen may have worked or it might not have, but I know that its has been better, also with all the pollen here so far I have done some better... It might not be the same for someone else. Or it might be. I am not sure... If this bee pollen has worked in helping someone else with there allergies. Please say so. I going to continue taking this year because I think I may have had some relief.

15. ### ElzbietaGuest

Vitamin C prevents from cardiovascular disease, Vitamin C fight against bacteria, viruses, and infection, Guavas, bell pepper, fresh herbs, broccoli, kiwi fruit, papaya, orange, cauliflower, brussels sprouts and strawberries are great source of vitamin C...

16. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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you won't get desert unless you eat your vegetables.
Problem is I'm a selective eater. Meaning I'm picky. I don't like too many vegetables or fruits. I like some. But if I had a choice I think I will stay with the vitamins.
I don't care much for the yogurt. Especially the "greek"kind I can kind of do the activia.

Keep those post coming though, there helpful

17. ### scheherazadeNorthern Horse WhispererValued Senior Member

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There's one problem right there, lol.... Throwing anything sweet in on top of a meal has the potential to increase fermentation and gastrointestinal distress. Fruit and/or sweets are best enjoyed in moderation between meals in my experience.

Vitamins have their place and I am currently taking an A-Z supplement after a whole winter of taking nothing, in part because this has been a long, cool spring and I'm surrounded by 'sickies'. :bugeye:

If you don't eat many fruits and vegetables, just what DO you mostly eat? Curious is all....

While I won't touch Activia because most forms of this brand have added cornstarch or pectin and yogurt should be just milk ingredients and bacterial culture with fruit or natural flavor an option to my way of thinking. There's only about 3 kinds in the 100+ we carry that seem 'healthy' to me. Many of the Greek yogurts are quite rich, higher fat content, although they make some low fat varieties as well.

Roger. Wilco.

18. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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the desert thing was a reference to pink floyd.
i like meats mostly an potato like things minus the sweet potatoes.
crackers, bread, noodles, cheese, pickles, but not relish, fish, or tuna, chicken, an i would say water melon, hot dogs, some things.
didn't realize the thing about the yogurt. thanks for the tip.

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19. ### KilljoyKlownWhateverValued Senior Member

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Back on topic, I have a supplement mix I take every day, and I'm happy with the results so far. Two of those you just can't get enough of in diet of any kind. Vitamin D3 & Vitamin C. Many of you might argue about my vitamin C claim, however I've been doing considerable research on the subject and believe the current guide lines are way off the mark. The human animal is one of a few that don't make their own vitamin C and as such, when they need it, it just isn't there. Everything that causes oxidative stress to the body requires vitamin C to restore the damage. If you are sick over a period of time your oxidative stress will overwhelm your vitamin C reserves in very short order. In any event very high dose vitamin C supplement therapy has been shown to repair many life threatening conditions. The recommendation is a minimum of 5000 mg per day if you are to get a positive result and higher levels are better. I don't like to take a lot of pills so I ordered pure powered vitamin C that I mix in 8oz of water with some Tang in it to cut the sour taste a bit. I only started this level about 2 weeks ago, so it will be awhile before I can report on long term results. I'm averaging between 10 and 15 grams a day now.

20. ### scheherazadeNorthern Horse WhispererValued Senior Member

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I agree that vitamin C is a very helpful and inexpensive supplement with a wide range of benefits. It has also been studied fairly extensively and because it is water soluble is generally considered safe to take in fairly high doses.

The amount you report taking is higher than I have come across and there are some concerns for potential side effects.

21. ### scheherazadeNorthern Horse WhispererValued Senior Member

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Oh......silly me.

Do you eat a lot of ham, bacon or processed sandwich meats? A lot of salt and nitrates in them.

A lot of processed carbohydrates......easy way to gain weight unless one is exceedingly active.

Watch for tartrazine in pickles and a lot of processed food. This stuff is bad news. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartrazine

Most also have tartrazine. I use only plain mustard on occasion and rarely mayo, often making my own.

Some of the above would be beneficial.

I'm not clear if you are saying that you like these or don't like them. :shrug:

So many kinds of yogurt to choose from and a lot of them are not so good with a bunch of added ingredients that detract from it's natural state.

(Skulks out quietly, having delivered such dire portents.....)

22. ### R1D2many leagues under the sea.Valued Senior Member

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Yes I do like watermelon, & hot dogs, an a good pepperoni pizza maybe with hamburger or extra bacon or both. Peanut butter sandwiches are good. But I don't eat much pre packaged. "sandwich meats". Try to stay away from going over 215LB maximum. The army said my max weight was 211Lbs back in the day, but I'm not thinking of posting my actual weight here yet. I not even exactly sure what it is, but I have a idea. But I am doing good with it. My "accident" raised my weight from around 174.

23. ### KilljoyKlownWhateverValued Senior Member

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In my research there are no known toxic limits to vitamin C. They have given patients up to 100 grams a day intravenously for weeks at a time with only positive results. To someone who is sick and looking for a positive response, 1000 mg provides no detectible positive results. I'm talking cancer, heart disease, diabetes, aids,...etc. Lets suppose you don't currently have anything major going on. Do you have any way to tell what your current level of oxidative stress that your body is in, in any given time? I sure don't, and I believe 10,000 - 15,000 mg per day spread out over your waking hours will head off developing problems before they become life threatening. In any event that's the way I'm believing at this moment, and yes if anything unusual happens I'll post it.