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Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by R1D2, Mar 15, 2012.

  1. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I am of the opinion that it's not so much an allergy for most people, as an inefficiency and that most people ingest a great deal of flour as it is used in so many manufactured products besides the obvious ones.

    As I have mentioned elsewhere, I question a diet that requires people to ingest a myriad of over the counter 'digestive aids'.

    White flour made from wheat and water are the simplest recipe for no-cook paper mache paste. Add yeast, sugar and salt, bake and it's bread.

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    Whole grains are quite different to digest than the ubiquitous refined grain products that line our shelves. For some, they ingest refined flour with every meal including in many beverages.

    http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInfo/HealthLibrary/allergy/wheat.html

    Like many people, I was raised on a wheat based diet and I have eliminated a large part of it from my diet in recent years with excellent results.

    I think it behooves people to question and do their own research in these matters.

    Sorry to hear about your allergies. Dust mites are even more ubiquitous than flour!

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  3. elte Valued Senior Member

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    The common idea that I have read about grain in the diet is that grains became human food within a short time span around the time of the rise of agriculture about ten thousand years ago. Since then, I could see people trying to find natural varieties or trying to breed domestic varieties that taste and digest better. I've seen mention that other primates also have wisdom teeth, and I'd think that they don't eat grain seeds that need the heavy grinding to any considerable extent. The Mark's Daily blog says (too snarkily in my opinion) that the presence of harmful things like lectins, phytates, and gluten suggests that we aren't adapted to grains. Yet, I could see that a little bit of grains in the diet could actually be good for most people.

    The idea of animal fat as intrinsically bad seems to be getting a second look that tends to make it appear less bad than lately thought. A probable reason why animal fat is bad these days, besides the fact that most people already get too many calories, is because it came from animals that don't live off of natural grasses and other foods in the wild. It doesn't contain much if any beneficial omega 3 if raised on grain, while I would be surprised if on the other hand it often doesn't concentrate pollutants instead.

    The smoke from fireplaces can get pretty bad around here. Then the allergic effect of it tends to make my nose stuffy.
     
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  5. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    That's an excellent point.

    Even more, perhaps, than ourselves, the domestic animals that we raise for food are living in constrained conditions and being fed a diet that they would not otherwise eat if they were living in their natural habitat.

    Conceded, also, that many of the domestic species would no longer survive in a wild habitat as they have been bred specific to our uses.

    Still, wild bovines, wild boars, wild turkeys and game birds were and remain quite well adapted to looking after themselves. Wild sheep and goats are certainly not the easy prey that their domestic cousins are.

    You won't find any fat wild sheep hunters in these parts because to bag one of those creatures is a lot of work but well worth the effort. Wild sheep is probably the finest meat I have ever tasted, unexpectedly fine grained and tender for an animal that cavorts about on mountain peaks.

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  7. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    We have fossil evidence from early human habitations that indicate wild grains were part of the foundation of our historic diet. The gatherers would often pull the whole plant out of the ground and take it back to the cave. Then the grain was removed and the stalks discarded in the midden pile for us to find hundreds of thousands of years later. We couldn't always bring home a mammoth for din-dins.

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    The wisdom teeth thing comes from fossil evidence, wisdom tooth wear patterns and stuff left between the teeth of neanderthals that has been analyzed. They didn't floss or brush. :bugeye:

    I do not consume refined carbohydrates, I often forget that other folks routinely do. We do not even keep white sugar, bleached rice or flour in the house. We eat bread, mostly pumpernickel made by a professional baker friend of mine. Also rye, 16 grain, 100% cracked whole wheat and a high bran content whole wheat. ("Branchester Wheat" he calls it)

    Our diet is centered around vegetables, lean meats, fish, fruits and whole grains. No prepped stuff, very little canned, no processed stuff. I get as much as I can from a friend who owns a farm near here. The wife has a salt sensitivity so we avoid anything with added salt. That is about everything nowadays.

    I have a hereditary weakness of the gall bladder so we avoid saturated fats. My grandpa and my dad both had their gall bladders out in their mid - 60's. I am close to that age now and do not want to go through that if I can avoid it. I have had 2 gall bladder attacks - about 10 years ago - and do not want to have that feeling again. Too much pain for this guy to handle, I would rather just eat right.

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  8. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I think we are on the same page, Stoniphi.

    As you point out, early humans likely utilized the entire plant whenever it was practical.

    Whole grains are not in question, it is the myriad of refined products made with them which are then combined with countless other refined ingredients and chemicals which I question whether our digestive system is adapted to handle. :bugeye:

    Your diet sounds pretty yummy to me.

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    May your gall bladder fare well for as long as you grace the planet.

    'Live long and prosper', to quote that Vulcan dude.

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  9. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Or as I like. Love long an prosper. Stoning may I wish u the best with the gall bladder. I had found out through tests a while back that I have gall stones but there not causing problems... YET. My wife an family don't eat like you all suggest even though I have layer off chocolate an tried to eat less sugar an salt an here in FL. fried food is everywhere.. I try hard to eat better.. An i love potatoes. A weakness I am sure. But I am told often we are here 1 time just live an I'm told all good food is bad for you... I am a picky eater any way maybe that's what's done the most good for me
     
  10. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you all for the good. Great information
     
  11. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    All things in moderation, including moderation.

    If one eats very well most of the time, one can occasionally indulge in those psychological 'feel good' foods even though they are not the healthiest.

    The interesting thing is, that once one really starts to relate to how various foods make you feel, it gets easier to make better choices.

    I used to do a lot of home-baking and buy some commercially baked sweets as well before I began to research nutrition.

    Now I can walk past the whole bakery section in our store without any desire for all of the artificially flavored and colored confections. I buy pumpernickel and rye bread there only.

    At home, I bake banana bread on occasion to satisfy my craving for baked goods as it makes a good and fast lunch for when I am working graveyards. I can bake a loaf at home for just over half the price of bought and I use all premium ingredients, real butter and vanilla, organic bananas and I use 40% whole wheat flour in the recipe.

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    I'm not yet weaned completely from wheat but I only eat a small fraction of what I was raised to think of as a 'proper diet'.

    We have generations of food lobby work to overcome.

    Remember all of those 'brand name recipe books' that were being handed out with promotions? Every recipe required several processed products to make. If you have any lying about, I would suggest they get recycled.

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  12. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    What about Jarred goods ? They better than canned goods ?
     
  13. scheherazade Northern Horse Whisperer Valued Senior Member

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    I have done plenty of home preserving in the past and it was always done with glass jars. My parents were raised on food preserved in glass jars and stored in cellars.

    The quality of the content of either jar or can will be similar in nutritional value, however, there is great concern about the lining of cans leaching into the contents inside.

    I use very few canned products for that reason.

    Cans are very user friendly for many situations such as emergency pantry reserves, camping, durability and shelf life, but I think glass is healthier overall.

    http://agreenliving.net/the-low-down-on-bpa-in-canned-goods/
     
  14. elte Valued Senior Member

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    Those are some good points.

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    Temple Grandin has studied how stress on an animal tends to ruin the meat. She has done a lot of work to try to improve conditions for farm animals.

    I can understand how it is so hard to get those wild sheep in that rough terrain!
     
  15. elte Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks Stoniphi. I wish I didn't have to floss and brush!

    I like how you keep refined stuff out of your diet. I consider anything other than a whole food something to avoid. It probably has been ten years since I ate anything that was processed to alter its original form negatively. I can relate to that salt sensitivity, which also keeps me away from salted food. I haven't used a salt shaker in a long time.

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    It's great how you stay away from saturated fats. It's too many calories for most of us anyway.

    I guess I eat right enough in such a simple way that people might consider it downright boring. I don't mind the taste of good foods like plain cooked collard greens. I hope your gall bladder keep-sa-pumping well!
     
  16. elte Valued Senior Member

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    R1D2, I was somewhat concerned we had strayed a bit too much. Thanks.
     
  17. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Don't be concerned at all this is what we are all here for elte. Friendly chatter. An informing discussions. Right?? An I am being informed....
     
  18. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    Has my english improved since I found my spell checker?? I am learning a little about this web site some I don't even have face book or my page or nothing I haven't ever joined a site. Remotely like this. An I am doing this from my mobile so far.
     
  19. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it has, good on you!

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    I use my desktop pc for Internet stuff like this, also use the spell - checker all of the time. I deal with lots of different people in my work so I try very hard to be clear with what I say.

    Some of the folks I know and some of the places I go are not so educated however,

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    and the people there may well think I am being snooty if I were to speak 'all high - falooten' and setch', so I drop into my street character manner with them to keep things informal and comfortable.

    Here, however, I try to be clear and direct, use proper spelling and grammar as I know that some of the folks reading this are using a speech translator to read it in their native language. Translators work best with everything in English said just right, and even then they sometimes get things confused.

    'Course some folks don't understand no matter how you say it...... :shrug:
     
  20. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    I quoted that because someone earlier. Thought that I wasn't a english speaker
    I know some German but not really past a few words. English first an only. For me. This one would need roesta stone for a few months ....to start learning something else...:idea: Been taking the B complex vitamin an a bee pollen supplement since I done some reading from here hope it helps me ...:thankyou: thank you for the helpful information
     
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  21. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    An added B6 till it runs out
     
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  22. Stoniphi obscurely fossiliferous Valued Senior Member

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    Sounds like a plan.

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  23. R1D2 many leagues under the sea. Valued Senior Member

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    How soon should I notice any change? With taking these vitimins. I have noticed one. The a-z suppliment has helped with mouth sores..
     

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