Virgin birth

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  1. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    My question is, if Jesus was really born by a virgin woman,
    why Jesus himself had never mentioned about this?
    Jesus never declared that he was born by virgin.
     
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  3. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine it like this, let's say a friend of yours wants to get your memoir's in order when you died (been killed by a government regime not native to your land), When your friend writes your biography, he can't exactly state "His mother and father weren't married and his mother a bastardised child who might or might have not been the fathers" because it might anger or upset anyone that's related to you and to be honest you'd probably kick his ass for his insolence if you were alive. So they'd likely write something like "His birth was a miracle to his parents, granted to them out of wedlock" or some such flowery crap to cover "all are bases".

    Historically if the Bible was a true record (which it isn't people of the amount of hypocrisy in it's pages) then those that write about Jesus's birth would likely not been old enough to remember or weren't at the location of the birth, so it's all make believe pulp to fill the unknown factors that might otherwise be questioned.
     
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  5. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    How did the authors of Matthew and Luke know so well about the miraculous experience of Marry when she conceived Jesus?
    If the story is so important to the faith, why didn't Jesus mention it himself in his preaching to prove that he is divine?
    Jesus never emphasized virgin birth when he testified himself.
    So, virgin birth is very doubtful.
     
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  7. arauca Banned Banned

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    The important thing is the teaching and not his history of upbringing . Do you think Hawkings history is important on how he was born or how he become paralyzed. The importance of the man is what come out of his mouth
     
  8. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    No,
    if he is not God incarnate, why should I worship him?
     
  9. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Worship him, if you believe he is your personal saviour.
    Don't, if you don't.
    His conception has very little to do with your decision. The signs and portents necessary to convince the people of that time (Romans, btw, not Jews) seemed to include virgin birth. Whatever, it worked; the religion was established and thrives over much of the world to this day. People join it for their own reasons, reject it for their own reasons and leave it for their own reasons.
    Quibbling over long-ago details won't make a difference.
     
  10. arauca Banned Banned

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    You are a riot . Can you not think Mary could tell Matthew about the early life of Jesus . Is there somebody coaching you to make such pointed dumb questions. Your post is just to down grade Christianity , which is goes hand in hand which the atheists.
     
  11. Saint Valued Senior Member

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    Mary should pen the gospels, not other people.

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  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    The gospel writer Matthew wrote his gospel at least 40 years after Jesus died.
     
  13. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    Bad breath? Sorry, I'm not a Hawking fan. I would just as soon slingshot him back into whatever black hole he crawled out of.
     
  14. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    If he was circa 35, that's 75 years after birth. (senility obviously isn't something I stated prior.)
     
  15. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    And he'd probably tell you where to stick your rapture.
     
  16. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    I never got into the rapture idea. I think God wants us to stick around on planet earth and do what can to make it a better world. When we die we can go to heaven.
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    The words up his black hole come to mind.

    I sense jealousy.

    Or did the spiritual realm teach you to hate and want to murder disabled people as well?
     
  18. Mazulu Banned Banned

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    I learned how to hate from being around atheists on this website. Actually, technically speaking, I first learned how to hate when I was in the military (I guess that's not unusual).

    I'm not jealous of Hawkings. I just find it absurd that information theory about black holes is extended to include "consciousness". Technically, I don't want to kill him, I just want to watch him fall into a black hole, very very slowly. We can watch him for generations, yet knowing that he already reached the event horizon where his atoms were ripped apart.

    Bye Stephen Hawkings! Have a nice annihilation.
     
  19. arauca Banned Banned

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    So what do people loose memory . beside Matthew could have children and his children could have taken note . Tell me did Pythagoras do his own memos or did Socrates do his own writing, So your comment about Matthew , which you are attempting to discredit is not valid , you will have to discredit most of the ancient writing .
     
  20. arauca Banned Banned

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    You are plan stupid to post such dumb thing . I am 77 I remember wen I went to school in Germany during Hitlers time . Perhaps your kind have mental handicap.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Because the immaculate conception/removal of original sin (even the concept of original sin) wasn't around at that point. It came later as the founders of the Church tried to come up with a self-consistent philosophy.
     
  22. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Billvon is right. Also it was added later because it made Jesus align with previous messiah prophecies. I should add that even being born from a virgin wouldn't prove the divinity of Jesus. This is a phenomenon that is common among some creatures, and it might not be impossible in humans.
     
  23. Bells Staff Member

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    Does anyone else see the irony in this post?
     

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