Virgin birth of jesus proved by a sikh

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  1. nijjhar Registered Member

    Hi Brethren,

    Many people rely upon book knowledge; what this man has written or that man but they never ponder over the situation themselves called “intuition”. My late father learnt this entire subject through intuition or best be called “logical reasoning”. So, please open your ears to hear His Word and those who take to Books, get their ears choked with hardened wax that makes a person dead in letters. Gospel is for the living people of spirit and the illiterates of letters being of spirit receive it the best.


    Many people know that Jesus was born of a Virgin in the manger of an Inn situated in Bethlehem, the birth place of King David, the lion of Judah tribe, and He died a very humiliating death on the cross at a place much haunted and feared by people. But why it happened so?

    Why the Virgin Birth? - The answer is very simple for the twice-born people of "spirit" called “SURTI” in Punjabi, who are capable of "perceiving" and “intuition” based upon logical reasoning. At the same time it is well beyond the apprehension of the once-born people of "flesh", who are capable of "seeing" only and they believe what they could see or prove in material terms or scientifically. Thus, they take the Holy Books by the "letters". No wonder such people are also called the “People of the Book” and they address Super Servant Christ Jesus as Lord Jesus Christ so that they too could Lord over the others in His name.

    Prophet Jesus, the First anointed Christ (Satguru) of God, Spokesman, was to appear among the people of Judah tribe who at the times of King David were highly religious people and had a good knowledge of the Holy Books such as the Torah; both written and Oral. They used to obey the moral laws of Moses to the very "letters" and for their religious devotions; they were called the "angelic people" or DEVTAS. But the act of "adultery" by King David was a "sin" that put the people of Judah tribe to a great "shame".

    However, in this Dark Age, things happen "opposite" to the past "enlightened" Ages. Thus, the most religious people of Judah tribe become the "highly" satanic people (exploiters of the religious knowledge) of the tribes of Isaac and they turned the shameful act of "adultery" by their King David into an act of great pride to be boasted off publicly with such an "arrogance" that if our King David did it, so why couldn’t we do it in the "steps" of our great King David. In short, the people of the Judah tribe were too clever for the rest of the tribes of Isaac.

    The nature of these satanic people of Judah tribe was well illustrated in Judas Iscariot, the only Labourer, and not a disciple, of Judah tribe who, like his forefathers, was well versed in the “letters” and accounts. It is also true of the people of Khatri tribe in India, who became administrators of the Moghul Kings. It was he who begged Jesus to take him on for his literary skills, especially to handle the "purse". The Omniscient Jesus knew his love of Mammon and his smartness culminated in taking a bribe of 30 Shackles to deceive Jesus. By the time of Last Supper, every Labourer (not Disciple) except the once-born Peter knew the character of Judas Iscariot too well to be told and so, at the Last Supper Jesus rebuked Judas Iscariot and threw him out for his smartness and dirty heart before He welcomed the rest of Eleven into the House of our Father by washing their feet. Then, He Baptised them in Holy Spirit into the Service of our Father in the Last Supper rites of Eucharist of Sacrifice or entering into the Bridal Chamber. This Christ Jesus mentioned in the Parable of the Marriage of the Son, Christ Jesus, when Father threw a man, Judas Iscariot, out of the Wedding Banquet as he was not properly dressed, a Munnmukh thief.

    Further, people knew that Jesus has come in the line of David among these satanic people of Judah tribe, who had become the bad characters. But when a woman saw Jesus doing good “deeds” worthy of the qualities (salt) of old King David, then she remarked, “You are a real son, salt, of David” in qualities but not in quantity or in flesh. Remember that Jesus healed many Jewish people but hardly anyone of them thanked him whilst a Gentile, who was healed not only thanked Jesus but he also accompanied him. Jews liked the Synagogue and the Torah more than the Gospel of Spirit that the Gentile appreciated.

    Whilst the Gentile who were considered by the smart people of the BOOK, the so called Jews, to be the "simpletons", the “stones”, Goyeishi Koppa, become the great religious people of "spirit", the Saints and earned the fame that organisations like the present "Good Samaritan" openly speak of. About the Gentile, Christ Philip Said, “A Gentile never dies for he does not live to die”. Second call at the Marriage of the Son, Christ Jesus was to the Gentile and they filled the Banquette Hall or became Apostles in great numbers.

    Now, the tribal "identity" of "flesh" establishes one's link or "covenant" with our ancestors or Adam and by doing so one becomes a "son of Man", which Jesus termed as the "wheat" plants, that our heavenly father, the demiurge "creator" of male and female Yahweh or Brahma, planted in this field of world - Matt.13.v24-30. But if you hide or severe your tribal link with your ancestors as the people at present are doing so by becoming the so-called Sikh, Muslim, Christian, Protestant, Catholic, Jew, etc. of the "flesh" outwardly and not remaining of their "hearts" or "spirit" inwardly, then such people become the "tares", the "sons of Satan" or the fanatics and such fanatics perform "bastardly" deeds befitting the Most High Satan that creates "hell" as it is being done in the Middle East, Punjab, Lebanon, Israel, Bosnia, N. Ireland, etc.

    This distinction between the "flesh" and the "spirit" Christ Paul clarified in His Saying, "A Jew is one who is inwardly (of the heart or spirit) and not outwardly (of the flesh or tribe)". About these "tares" Jesus, said, "Every plant (person), which (that) my heavenly father, the creator, did not Plant (has lost his tribal identity of flesh or has severed his link or covenant with Adam, ancestors, or Abraham) shall be uprooted (killed) along with the "roots", the fanatic supporters”. Christ = Satguru Nanak Dev Ji stressed this in His Saying, “BEEO BEEJ (those who kept their covenants with their tribal elders) PATT LAE GAYAE (would have their family honour intact)……………….

    It was this tribal covenant with Abraham that Angel Stephen, the first Bishop of the Church of God was trying to explain and establish before the high priest or the chief Rabbi in the Temple, the Master Viper that the Satan ordered his mountain of "fanatics" or dogs to stone him to death but he prayed for them to become sensible.

    So, when Jesus was born most of the Jews, especially of the Judah tribe, were the Jews of "flesh", the "tares", which, the creator, our heavenly father, did not plant and he does not want to know. Such "tares" were not worthy of the "baptism" of John in water and He stressed that by branding them a "brood" of vipers. These "vipers", the spiritually sick people especially of the Judah tribe needed Jesus, the Great Spiritual Doctor, the most and, therefore, Jesus took birth among them, the “tares”, not in a normal way but of a "Virgin". As the Samaritans were not so spiritually sick, they did not care for Jesus and the Samaritan village where a Samaritan woman met Jesus at the well, John 4, demonstrated the spiritual heights they were enjoying. She had overpowered all the Five spiritual temptations, Kam (immorality), Karodhh (anger), Lobh (greed), Moh (worldly temptations) and the Last Husband Hankaar (Haughtiness of religious knowledge that she learnt in spirit against the Jews in Letters), of heart to be a Perfect Solitary Virgin.

    Why in the manger of the Inn? - Now, "Inn" is symbolic of the "Church of God" in that as an "inn" is open to general public for the physical rest, so is the "Universal Church of God", open to the people of all nationalities and tribes for the "spiritual" rest or regeneration. Further, in the Church of God, unlike the Church of England, where the King/Queen of Mammon is the head, the lowest or the greatest Servant, and not a Lord, is the Head of the Church. So Jesus, our Royal High Priest being the Head of our Universal Church of God, One Fold One Shepherd, could not be born anywhere else than the lowest place, the manger of the inn and that too among the stable animals, that "serve" people as the beast of “burden”. Jesus is our Elder Anointed Brother and not a Lord. Father has Labouring sons who are entitled to the inheritance whilst a Lord has slave Disciples who are not allowed into the House of our Father. Rabbis call Yahweh a Lord and so the slave Disciples are handled by the Ruler Rabbis.

    As people are born in the tribal homes of their fathers, so, this humble Birth of Jesus in the manger of an Inn is an "implicit" proof that the Father of Jesus was not a normal father in flesh but God in Whose Universal House, the Church of God He took His Birth. The stress laid by Christ Paul that Jesus was second Adam also confirms His Virgin Birth. In fact, Joseph was a Foster father and Virgin Mary a Surrogate mother.

    Here it is worth explaining the Parable that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than a rich man, who has sucked the blood of the poor. Now, camel serves people and is humble and obedient but a rich man does not serve people but him rather rules or lords over people. So, it is easier for a humble camel to enter into the Royal Kingdom of God that has a very Narrow Gate than for a rich haughty man. That is in God, it is the service and humbleness that counts not the riches of the person. In fact, a rich person being full of the sucked blood of the poor, he is too fat to pass through the Narrow Gate.

    Now, if Queen, who is the head of Mammon in Great Britain and she is also the head of the Church of England and the so-called defender of faith, then if she herself cannot pass through the “eye” of the needle, how could the others whose faith she is defending can do so? She is rather the defender of faith in Mammon as her soldiers glorified God by defending and expanding her Empire; whilst the humble soldiers of God like the Brother William Booth was cast out of the Churches of England.

    Further, Jesus when He was twelve years old, the age at which a boy is certain who his father is, stayed behind in Jerusalem in His Father’s House whilst His foster father Joseph and Surrogate Mother Mary came looking for him, is also a proof that His Father was God and not a human one. Remember that the Hajj rites of Abraham used to be for the boys aged 12 to 16 to establish their covenants with their tribal elders and not for the grown up men or women as it is presently happening that also reflects the degree of religious Darkness. That is why Bhagat Kabir Ji refused to go to Kaba when the local Mullah invited Him to accompany him.

    Further, when he became adult to look after His Father’s Home, He turned the tables of the traders telling them that my Father’s House is for spiritual business of prayer and meditation and not for the secular businesses of making money through trading. Jesus called the Temple Winepress and He came to take Fruit. But there was none except beautiful decorations like the Fig Tree to fleece the stones, simpletons like the widow who parted with her mite.

    Now, the death of Jesus became a controversial issue among the people of the BOOK, the so-called Christians. This issue is best tackled by knowing that whatsoever applies to "flesh", the opposite applies to the matters of "spirit". Thus, in flesh every one of us has his own parents whilst in spirit all of us have God as our single Parent, both Mother and Father. Kings rest their heads in the comforts of their palaces, whereas our Royal King had no place even to rest His head. This is because Jesus was not born in a tribal home but in His Father's Home devoted to spreading Gospel, He had no tribal home to rest his head or return to. Foxes have holes, ……. Jesus’ Mother was Holy Spirit, Mahan Devan and that is why He addressed Mary as a woman.

    Kings normally die a natural death in the comforts of their palaces well attended by their courtiers and nobles whilst our Royal King Jesus was to face an un-natural death of a very humiliating nature at a place much haunted and feared by the general public and that too in the company of two criminals created by the greed of society; one of "flesh" who asked Jesus to set him free through His miraculous Powers whilst the other of "spirit" of Robin hood type acknowledged his fate but at the same time he proclaimed that Jesus is dying for no wrong doing i.e. even the criminals of "spirit" knew Jesus better than the lawyers of "letters", the Rabbis. Kings put on happily very expensive and comfortable crowns made of the artificial materials whilst our Royal King Jesus was forcibly put upon a very uncomfortable befitting crown made of the natural living thorny bush against His Will for Preaching Gospel. In fact, the death by stoning is not as humiliating and none of the Apostles met such a humiliating death as Jesus did.

    BURIAL CHAMBER: - Finally, people have their family burial chambers and they bury their generations in the same chamber until full. So, the burial of Jesus was in a newly built chamber also confirms that he had no family ties and being the second Adam was laid in a virgin burial chamber that was never used even after his burial. No one was buried in this Chamber after Jesus also confirms that He had no family and this D’Vinchi code is a fake.

    Here, it is worthwhile to mention the birth of the Second anointed Christ in the name of Satguru Nanak Dev Ji, Who appeared in India among the people of Khatri tribe, who, like the people of Judah tribe, were angelic or DEVTA people in the past enlightened Age (TRETA YUG) but they had become the most satanic people in this Dark Age. But the birth of the Second anointed Christ, called "SATGURU" in Punjabi, was not of a Virgin, as the people of the Khatri tribe had not severed their covenant with their tribal ancestors by becoming the Hindus of flesh or tribe. That is, they remained the Khatri tribal people. Thus, the spiritually sick people of Khatri tribe, especially those of Kashmir, who became Mullahs, were the sworn enemies of the Six Satgurus and the Four Royal Kings. In short, the people of Judah tribe, Princes of Darkness, in the Middle East and of the Khatri tribe, Kings and Emperors of Darkness, in India are great opportunists. They have a great love for Mammon or "GREED" and, therefore, they greatly exploited the devoted religious people for their selfish motives. Remember that all the people of a certain tribe cannot be good or bad but in general a certain trait is dominant among the people of a particular tribe.

    Further, in general, people of the West are seeking God more sincerely than the people of the East but they are mostly blind to the matters of “spirit”. This is well illustrated in the Parable of the Samaritan woman at the well – John 4, who had Five husbands, KAAM (immorality), KARODHH (anger), LOBH (greed), MOH (material love) and the Last one HANKAAR (pride of her religious knowledge as she proclaimed Jesus to be a Prophet), a husband living with her but she had overpowered it too for she engaged Jesus in deep discussion that the arrogant Pharisee Simon could not. But the Book people take the literal sense and call this most knowledgeable and pious woman, Christ Photina, Jesus ever met in His ministry as a “prostitute” marrying one husband after the other. Google for her as St.Photina.

    Unfortunately, the so-called Sikhs of beards and turbans are familiar with these five husbands but they are incapable of explaining them to the Christians either. Remember that the word “Sikh” stands for a student of spiritual knowledge and he is known by what comes out of his own mouth rather than what the Books say. Funny costumes as put on by the clerics do not make a person religious but a hypocrite, that both Jesus and Nanak condemned the most.

    So, both in Satguru Jesus and Christ Nanak, it is the “quality” of speech that counts and not the reciting of the holy verses from the Books or the dog-collars/robes of hypocrisy in which case they proclaim to be working for God but they get paid for their labour in the currency of Mammon.

    In Kal Yug or the Dark Age, everyone has to give his own account to God and those who follow the so-called Sants or holy men blindly are wasting their invaluable life as such false hypocrite Sants cannot give your account to God. Therefore, go by your own christ/satguru, the “innerman” or “ANTAR SATGURU” and experience “Philia”, “ANAND” in the company of the twice-born people of spirit/SURTI.


    Rom. 14.12: - Live by your own christ, the “innerman”.

    No christ (spirit) in your heart, no Gospel and no salvation but Hell.

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  3. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

    Fixed it for you.

    Cite your sources for the extra-Biblical claims. Youtube is not a valid one.
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  5. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    So you are proving a story to be true based on information to be found within that story? Do you see what's wrong with that?
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  7. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

    Isn't the idea of Mary being a virgin partly due to the translations used in the various versions of the bible?
    Didn't the original Hebrew word that was used just mean "young woman of marriageable age"?
    Which was then taken to mean virgin, and from there they used the more obvious words to suggest virginal.
  8. wellwisher Banned Banned

    When a female ovum matures, the DNA doubles twice and 3/4 of the doubled DNA is extruded from the ovum leaving 1/2 DNA within the ovum as it finishes maturing. The sperm cells also have 1/2 DNA. The two 1/2 DNA merge to form a complete set of DNA within the ovum. Theoretically, a virgin birth could occur if the ovum, after extruding DNA and maturing, pulled 1/2 DNA back in, to complete the DNA.

    Male and female offspring are both formed from 1/2 male DNA (sperm) and 1/2 female DNA (ovum). Therefore Mary's DNA would be 1/2 from her mother and 1/2 from her father. Conceivably the extruded DNA, that was brought back in, could be male DNA if it was from her dad. If this was true, Jesus would be similar to Mary and her father in terms of features and disposition.
  9. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

    And if it happened once, it can happen again. Yet, I don't think virgin births are all that common...or happen at all. The translation problem is a lot more likely, as that does happen frequently.
  10. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Your sciency explanation would seem to preclude divine intervention then.
  11. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    Where is my friend nijjhar? Nijhar is off-line. What an unfortunate condition. I hope doctors will be able to cure it.
  12. Bowser Right Here, Right Now Valued Senior Member

    I swear, the things that come up on this forum.
  13. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

    1 Billion years from now, the transcripts from this forum will form the basis of a new religion. And then we will surely look like assholes.

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