Victor Espinoza's: Thread of Intrigue

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  1. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    That's actually quite brilliant...

    Gonna start doing that myself... When I can remember how to count, that is.
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Are you saying that light is the movement of electrons along a wire?
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, Victor... no no.

    http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/solarcells/

    http://solarenergy.net/solar-power-resources/how-photovoltaic-cells-work/

    The photo-reactive material absorbs photons and emits electrons from a negatively charged semiconductor. These free electrons migrate to the positively charged layer of semiconductor, creating a voltage differential, much like a household battery. This movement is called electricity.
     
  8. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    That's all excellent information, Kitt. But Victor will not be able to understand any of it. We need to remember that he only has the brainpower of a 6-year-old child.
     
  9. REFUTING THE PHOTON​


    OBSERVATION: The photon is the particle carrier of all forms of electromagnetic radiation, including the gamma rays, the x-rays, the ultraviolet light, the visible light (electromagnetic spectrum), the light infrared, the microwaves and the radio waves.

    HYPOTHESIS: The photon is NOT particle-carrying, of all the aforementioned forms of electromagnetic radiation.

    EXPERIMENTATION:
    It does not exist.

    THEORY: The waves are a sea where moving the energy and the temperature, any value you need to go from one place to another without using the photon. To move the light of the Sun, the waves are created so that light will mobilize up to our planet. A Solar System is a sea made of a liquid called waves.

    Very affectionately,
    Víctor Espinoza Guédez Elias
    May 5, 2014​
     
  10. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, Victor...

    We know Photons are not waves, nor are they wires... we also know, 100% for certain, they exist (or at least, as close to 100% as we can get within the confines of our own cognizant capacity to interact with and observe the known universe around us)

     
  11. Have you ever seen the photon? How is it? or no one has seen it. If I know that there are waves, but the photon does not.
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    A photon looks like nothing, and everything. You are talking about something on a scale so small it falls under Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, as well as the Observer Effect, - that is to say, it is so small that nothing we have can measure it accurately WITHOUT fundamentally altering it in some way.

    Think of it like this - you develop a system of measuring an object by throwing a tiny ball of a known mass, density, volume, and other statistics at an unknown object. You repeat this process over and over and, eventually, you get an outline of what the object looks like.

    The problem is, in this case, the object you are trying to measure is smaller than the ball you are throwing... so instead of the ball coming back, it simply knocks the object you are trying to measure out of the way.

    The other issue is that a photon is a fundamental "particle", but not of matter; a photon is a particle of energy travelling at high speed (the speed of light). The human eye interprets this as a chemical signal - to "see" a photon is, physically speaking, impossible right now.

    HOWEVER
    http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479

    We know photons are there because we can "stop" them - that is, we have been able to freeze them in place using a quantum interference effect.
     

  13. If NOT they have been able to see it the PHOTON, then does not exist.

    AND MY THEORY IS CORRECT​
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, victor.

    You can't "see" the wind, but you know it exists.
    You can't "see" oxygen molecules, but you know they exist (you'd be dead otherwise).
    You can't "see" carbon monoxide, but it can kill you just the same.

    Just because you can't "see" something, doesn't mean you can claim it doesn't exist... science doesn't work that way.
     
  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    They have been able to see photon's effects. Thus they exist.
     
  16. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Victor.
    Why does a solar cell need a semiconductor?

    If light was electrons, a conductor would be all that was required to capture the energy.
     
  17. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Victor,
    What's a "Double Slit" experiment? After if a photon has not been observed (as either or both states) how would such an experiment exist?
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I've got ten thousand watts of solar panels - panels that are right now converting photons into electricity - that say you're wrong. Since the power they produce is real, and your theory is only in your mind . . .
     

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  20. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, Victor... no they don't. The existence of the Photon is extremely well documented. The whole particle/wave duality is also well documented. There are no waves converting into wires or bridges... just... just stop, please.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    This is what happens in reality: (from Wikipedia)

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    Simple explanation

    - Photons in sunlight hit the solar panel and are absorbed by semiconducting materials, such as silicon.
    - Electrons (negatively charged) are knocked loose from their atoms, allowing them to flow through the material to produce electricity. Due to the special composition of solar cells, the electrons are only allowed to move in a single direction.
    - An array of solar cells converts solar energy into a usable amount of direct current (DC) electricity.

    Photogeneration of charge carriers

    When a photon hits a piece of silicon, one of three things can happen:

    - the photon can pass straight through the silicon — this (generally) happens for lower energy photons,
    - the photon can reflect off the surface,
    - the photon can be absorbed by the silicon, if the photon energy is higher than the silicon band gap value. This generates an electron-hole pair and sometimes heat, depending on the band structure.

    When a photon is absorbed, its energy is given to an electron in the crystal lattice. Usually this electron is in the valence band, and is tightly bound in covalent bonds between neighboring atoms, and hence unable to move far. The energy given to it by the photon "excites" it into the conduction band, where it is free to move around within the semiconductor. The covalent bond that the electron was previously a part of now has one fewer electron — this is known as a hole. The presence of a missing covalent bond allows the bonded electrons of neighboring atoms to move into the "hole," leaving another hole behind, and in this way a hole can move through the lattice. Thus, it can be said that photons absorbed in the semiconductor create mobile electron-hole pairs.

    A photon need only have greater energy than that of the band gap in order to excite an electron from the valence band into the conduction band. However, the solar frequency spectrum approximates a black body spectrum at about 5,800 K and as such, much of the solar radiation reaching the Earth is composed of photons with energies greater than the band gap of silicon. These higher energy photons will be absorbed by the solar cell, but the difference in energy between these photons and the silicon band gap is converted into heat (via lattice vibrations — called phonons) rather than into usable electrical energy. The photovoltaic effect can also occur when two photons are absorbed simultaneously in a process called two-photon photovoltaic effect. However, high optical intensities are required for this nonlinear process.
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  22. With imagination, you can create many ways to spend electrons.
     
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