Vestigial Body Parts debunked as "Proof" of Evolution

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  1. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Creationists could disprove the Theory of Evolution entirely, and it wouldn't give the God Theory any more credibility.
     
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  3. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    God provided life , God provided the environment , as environment changes , life adjust itself to the environment to survive and so organism evolve to acquire different forms.
    Here creation and evolution work hand in hand.What is the fuss.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You saw God doing that? When? What did he look like? Did he wear a big hat?

    Oh wait...you just believe it because the Holy Babble said so. Nevermind.
     
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  7. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    That is not to smart. I am at the end of creation so how could I be there . But He speaks through some people through the Holy spirit and they write it down , What do you think about that ?
     
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    “It is time we admitted, from kings and presidents on down, that there is no evidence that any of our books was authored by the Creator of the universe. The Bible, it seems certain, was the work of sand-strewn men and women who thought the earth was flat and for whom a wheelbarrow would have been a breathtaking example of emerging technology. To rely on such a document as the basis for our worldview-however heroic the efforts of redactors- is to repudiate two thousand years of civilizing insights that the human mind has only just begun to inscribe upon itself through secular politics and scientific culture.."---Sam Harris
     
  9. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Thank, you you keep your view and I keep mine . amen !!!
     
  10. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    When exactly did vestigial body parts become CRITICAL in the theory of evolution such that debunking

    (ie further research to establish exactly the role, and as further info comes to light CHANGING the role,)

    their role leads to eliminating the theory?

    The PROOF of evolution has NEVER hung on the role of vestigial body parts

    Also the THEORY of evolution is continuing work in progress to provide

    the BEST explanation for "nature"

    And there are many explanations competing to be the best

    with one with the offering the most compelling evidence rising to the top

    The "god did it" brigade have only one jelly bean in the jar

    Problem is the jelly bean MUST remain in the jar and cannot be checked for its flavour

    No evidence of flavour therefore open to being of any flavour

    Shoehorning ANY flavour (theory) onto the bean along with the claim "god did it"

    while keeping the bean in the jar makes it untestable

    When they get a few more jelly beans in the jar and

    leave the jar open for people to pick and choose and

    give reasons and

    provide evidence of

    why their jelly bean is the best

    will truly test the "god did it' explanation

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  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I read the earlier thread that Woody referenced at the start. It is from 2005, not 2009 as he stated.

    It is mildly amusing to note that he is, after an interval of twelve years, coming back here to address a handful of minor points that cropped up in the course of that thread. Rip van Winkle or wot?

    In fact there was some good quality dialogue in that thread, from people long since gone from here. (But not really from Woody.)
     
  12. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    From a BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) program QI I learnt

    mushrooms are closer to humans than plants

    Found this link

    http://ucjeps.berkeley.edu/DeepGreen/NYTimes.html

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    Who would have thought god has a sense of humour

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    Humans close to mushrooms indeed

    Never saw that one coming

    Mind you being kept in the dark and being fed Cowpat should have been a clue

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    Next wacko scientist will be tells us the Earth is older than 6,000 years

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    Gotta laugh eh?

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  13. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Everybody seem to have responded with most of the good points that appeal to me. I am reminded that if the theory of evolution was disproved tomorrow, it might please may creationists, but it would not contribute any support for their theory and their delight would be short-lived. None of the s0-called "proofs of God" actually prove their particular God exists in any case and the lack of proof in any scientific discipline certainly does nothing to further their project. I am sure that these points have already been made many times, but I like them still.
     
  14. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Careful

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    Its a belief

    not a theory

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    The point is you are stuck in you view ( godless ) and we are stuck that there is a supreme force
    Evolution is product of change in environment and God the supreme force changes the environment. So the living organism adjust to survive , moves or perish.
     
  16. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily godless.

    Most scientists that believe in God, most theologians - and in fact most people who have really thought about it - would accept that there is no proof of God's existence. If there were, it would be common knowledge, not a matter of faith, and we would not be arguing about it!
     
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  17. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Tell me how much effort are we making to find God ? How would you like that God would present Himself to you or to a society so that we would say, yes " I have sean God " If He would appear in China , would we in the west believe them ?
     
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    People have tested some assumptions of religion, like if prayer works. (it doesnt)
     
  19. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    People have tested some assumptions of religion, like if prayer works. (it doesnt)
     
  20. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Who are the people . I definitively believe people with your approach ( nonbeliever ) God will not appear and say "look at me I am god " they would do the same as they did to Yahshua (Jesus)
     
  21. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    I'm talking about the Dr. Herbert Benson study. Obviously they didn't use non-believers.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Francis Galton, Randolph Byrd, William Harris, Fred Sicher, the Mayo Clinic, Duke University and Herbert Bensen to name a few.
     
  23. spidergoat Venued Serial Membership Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, it might be possible there is a God, and he doesn't answer prayers. But if he did at least some of the time, we should be able to observe that effect statistically, given that we constructed the experiment properly, used sincere participants who prayed for real things.
     

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