Vegetarianism Based On Animal Rights

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Thoreau, Jul 14, 2009.

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  1. James R

    James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    swarm:

    Do you eat veal then?

    And that makes everything ok, does it? We can all just do whatever makes us happy, and never have to worry about those pesky morals.

    Cutting out half of my sentence in order to quote me out of context and to avoid answering the question I asked you is intellectually dishonest. You're throwing a tantrum instead of addressing the points I'm making.

    Let's try again.

    You wrote:

    And I replied:

    I think I have nicely highlighted your double standard. I note you have not responded, presumably because you don't have a response other than angry denial.

    So, no particular reason then. It's just your gut instinct - just like your entire stance on vegetarianism vs meat eating. No reasoning process is involved.

    I apologise if I have misinterpreted you. Perhaps you can explain why you are concerned about cruelty to animals, if indeed you are. Is it a concern for the animals themselves, or just a concern about the possible side-effects of such cruelty to human beings?

    You're sounding just a little hysterical here. All I'm doing is trying to get you to see the error of your ways. I'm not threatening you. Do you feel threatened? Maybe it's that guilt thing of yours again.

    Do you contemplate your noble sacrifice every time you chow down on a nice tender stake? Do you think about how you're helping all the animals?
     
    James R, Jul 27, 2009
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  3. cluelusshusbund

    cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Queston.!!!

    Is ther an esample of 2 adult children "discussin" vegetarnism.???

    Replyr:::

    Sure... read James R's an Swarms posts to each other.!!!
     
    cluelusshusbund, Jul 27, 2009
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  5. Enmos

    Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, you do.

    Yes, it is.

    Good one..

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    I'm shocked.
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  7. parmalee

    parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Agreed.

    How exactly do humans sacrifice themselves to help other species?
     
    parmalee, Jul 27, 2009
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  8. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think some pet owners would run into a burning building to save them.
    There are also game wardens in Africa who die trying to protect endangered species from poachers.
    And Dian Fossey comes to mind.
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  9. Enmos

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    They don't think about dying for the cause, they go for it.
    Besides, what happens when you compare it to all the harm that is done to the natural world by humans ?
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  10. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Humans are part of the natural world. :shrug:

    so, you tell me. What happens when you compare? I think the only thing that happens when you compare is that you have made a comparison.
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  11. parmalee

    parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    In turn, doesn't Lassie sacrifice herself in order to save Timmy?


    Moreover, service animals sacrifice themselves all the time to save humans.
     
    parmalee, Jul 27, 2009
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  12. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    yes, but I thought the question was how did humans sacrifice? :shrug:
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  13. Enmos

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    lol ?

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    Then you should give up your so-called rights.
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  14. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    which so called rights are those? And why should I give them up?
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  15. Enmos

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    You are saying that humans are no more or less than any other animal.
    So you either agree to being treated as animals are being treated now, or you agree that how animals are being treated now is a crime of the same order as it would be when humans would be treated that way.
    In short, you agreed to equal rights for all animals including humans.
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  16. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    wow, really? I agreed to that? :roflmao:
    Humans are part of the natural world. So are trees. So is air. So is a worm.
    I have no understanding of your convoluted reasoning as to what I agreed to.
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  17. Enmos

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    That's painfully obvious

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    There are NO rights in the natural world, Orleander.
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  18. Orleander

    Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    and where did I say anything about rights? That was your rant, not mine
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  19. Enmos

    Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I think you're posting in the wrong thread again.
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  20. Orleander

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    lame
     
    Orleander, Jul 27, 2009
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  21. parmalee

    parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    But note the distinctions between "consideration of interests" and "the accordance of rights" which I articulated in Post #125 (http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2318267&postcount=125)--that said, I agree that humans and non-humans have a certain type of rights in relation to one another, but not invariably, for both humans and non-humans.

     
    parmalee, Jul 27, 2009
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  22. Enmos

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    Fine. You said that humans are part of the natural world. If you really think that then where do you get the idea from that you have any rights animals don't have ?
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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  23. Enmos

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    I'm talking about the hypocrisy.
    Crying murder when some animal attacks a human (probably even caused by a fault of the human).
    Organize a hunt to kill the evil animal, often killing off not just the animal that did it (or not at all) but a whole host of others.
    Going home to exterminate the wasps that build a nest above your porch.

    If you think you are part of nature and think it's fine to exterminate hundreds of wasps in one go, then you shouldn't whine about being attacked by an animal either.
     
    Enmos, Jul 27, 2009
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