>> Why not learn it yourself I have written C a long time ago, the modern approach with graphics as per java, is a little daunting. But yes my problem is just doing it amongst other things.... an experienced programmer can outperform me at the speed of light. Thanks for the link, I do intend to devote time to this project, but not for general consumption... err maybe.... I have developed a method of setting a brain up, and only have internal links with limited knowledge, so it becomes impossible to determine the program sequence as it can be deleted ( bit like rote knowledge ), but it would be indistinguishable from a human, except it could not learn.... but it could dish out intelligence and a huge information base. I would retain the learning brain, and clone rote copies...... I do not think the world is worth it though.... >> No, it is not. Well I have a model written in basic... no language is immaterial >> You seem to be referring to predicate logic. no, I said it is all mathematics.... what else do you think can be in the brain, even images are a mathematical matrix... really all electrical signals that are process by the rules of mathematics, but 1+1 does not equal 2 as numbers are but an image of real mathematics.