Value judgments, tones, and expressions

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by MattMVS7, Sep 27, 2017.

  1. MattMVS7 Registered Senior Member

    There are two forms of value judgments. The first type comes about through our way of thinking. For example, a person could think to himself that it is a great day today. This would be a good value judgment since the person is thinking of the day being good.

    A person could also think that something is horrible. These value judgments are vital because they help us make wise decisions regardless of how we feel. If you felt a positive emotion from doing drugs, then you could make the value judgment that the drugs are horrible since they would do damage to your health in the long run. From there, you could then make the wise decision to get off those drugs.

    The 2nd type of value judgments would be the emotional value judgments. If you felt a positive emotion, then that is always a good value judgment. If you felt a negative emotion, then that is always a bad value judgment. These emotional value judgments are not trustworthy. This is because, if you solely live your life by these types of value judgments, then you would end up finding yourself doing reckless things that you would regret.

    But even so, we need our positive emotions. Now, I'm not sure if this argument I am going to make is flawed, but I will do my best. There is good, bad, and then there is neither good nor bad (neutral). Our positive emotions would be the objectively good value judgment and our negative emotions would be the objectively bad value judgment. Having no emotions at all would be an objectively neutral value judgment.

    This means we cannot make value judgments without our emotions. So, if you felt nothing but a positive emotion from harming someone and you thought that it was a bad thing to do this, then we would not define this as a bad value judgment. Instead, we would define it as the thought of ceasing harm to an individual. This means that we can still make wise decisions anyway without emotions or without the respective emotion since they are still vital choices to make. But it can only be our emotions that allow us to judge situations as good, worthwhile, or bad.

    But continuing on here. When someone feels a very profound emotion such as a feeling of love, you will notice how this person displays acts, tones, and expressions that reflect this feeling. They will display profoundly loving acts, tones, and expressions. This means that there is an inner light there that the person's actions reflect. He is experiencing the good emotional value judgment from the higher heavens, so to speak, and he is acting out on that force of inner light. This same idea would apply to someone who feels very excited to go to the carnival. He would display excited expressions.

    But what about someone who is completely miserable and displays positive expressions and someone who feels nothing but positive emotions and displays negative expressions? These would actually be misleading expressions. They are forced expressions and do not reflect the inner light and darkness. With the miserable person, he has no inner light, but is still choosing to display expressions of the light. It's like someone who is going to die in the next few minutes, but displays expressions as though he is going to live a full life. These expressions do not reflect the truth.

    Since our positive emotions are the light (objectively positive and good) and our negative emotions being the darkness (objectively negative and bad), then a life without emotions would be objectively neutral. Your inner self would be neutral with neither light nor darkness. This means that positive expressions go with positive emotions, negative expressions go with negative emotions, while neutral expressions (i.e. apathy) go with having no emotions.

    So, if you were someone who struggled with misery, then living your life and pursuing any artistic endeavor as though it is something positive and beautiful would, therefore, be delusional. It would be a deluded standard of living that does not reflect the inner darkness you have. I, myself, live by the objective standard. I am not fine subjectively deluding myself into somehow thinking my life and composing dream is somehow a beautiful way of living during my moments of unhappiness and misery. As a matter of fact, I am unable to adhere my life to this subjective standard.

    But it is much more than just that. My positive emotions are like the light of god or the divine cosmos. They are absolutely vital and precious to my life and composing. As a matter of fact, I think we all need this inner light and that people are only dismissing them out of pure delusion and ignorance as trivial and/or unnecessary things.
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2017
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  3. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

    This is by my count number 3 on some weird idea of emotions or some such being forces. How many of these ideas have you got in the pipeline which are very poorly disguised attempts to preach about "the light of god" or "come to the light" or "let the light of god shine in" or .....? Do I really need to keep going?

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  5. MattMVS7 Registered Senior Member

    There is a difference between what is and what it's like. If a person saw the color red, then he could report back to you that it was like a trip to a paradise. This would be what it's like. But what is would be a different question. Seeing the color red would be a state of visualizing a certain color. This would be what is. A blind person cannot know what it is to see the color red since he can't see it.

    Now, here is where my worldview comes in. If you were in the most hopeless state of your life which would be a negative emotion and you believed that your life was still good and beautiful, then you could say that this thought is something good and beautiful since it is the words "good" and "beautiful" being spoken in your mind. From there, if you felt a positive emotion later on which would be an emotional value judgment of good value and beauty rather than a thought form of value judgment, then you could also say that this positive emotion is good and beautiful as well.

    It's the same scenario with the thought form of good value and beauty, but, this time, with the positive emotion. Now, here is the question. If you were blind and you thought of the color red, then what would that be for you? Remember, this is asking the "what is" question. The answer here would be that it would just be a thought. There is no quality of red there being perceived at all. So, it's not actual red, but just the thought of red. The same idea would apply to our emotions versus our thoughts.

    You could think to yourself that your life is still beautiful and good during your worst miserable moment, but there would be no quality of good value and beauty being perceived. Therefore, your life would be empty without your positive emotions. So, what it all comes down to here is what it is for you. Rather than just being the miserable soul who drags his life on believing it to be the good and beautiful life, actually focus on what it is for you and I think this will enlighten you to the truth of my worldview. Hopefully anyway. If I were to summarize my whole entire worldview in one sentence, then it would be:

    "You can only acknowledge the good and bad values of things, moments, and situations in your life. But you need your positive emotions to actually see the good values and you need your negative emotions to actually see the bad values. When you feel the most profound and powerful positive emotion of your life, then that is literally the most powerful and profound beauty, good value, and joy being perceived just as how it would literally be the color red being perceived by a person who saw the color red. The same idea applies to negative emotions."

    If my sight analogy is not a good analogy for emotions, then just get the idea that I was trying to convey anyway. I was simply saying that it can only be our emotions that allow us to perceive the good and bad qualities of our lives. I also talked about the idea of consciousness based values versus value judgment based values in my other packet which explains those horrible nightmare states I've had. Consciousness based values are values that focus on what is. I know I said they focus on what it's like, but that was actually a mistake I made. One last thing here.

    You could either perceive the values that situations and things have or you can perceive your own created values. For example, if a mother was feeding her child vegetables, then the vegetables would be good. But the child would be perceiving them as bad since he felt a negative emotion from them. So, even though the vegetables are good, the child saw them as bad which would be his own personal perceived value. This means that things and situations hold their own value and that the only way to perceive their value or our own personal created value would be through our emotions.
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Matt, this really belongs in Free Thoughts. You're preaching.
  8. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member


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