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  1. Dirty Dan And knowing is half the battle Registered Senior Member

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    So..I anxiously waited for the new series "V" and I had to say..I liked how it got off to a good start. The special effects were not all that bad either. I still and will always love the 80s miniseries but I am anxious to see how the new series is going to play out. BTW..Anna is h-h-h-HOT!
     
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  3. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    I didn't see the original series. This one is engaging enough so far, but you can't judge a series by the premiere.

    But it's hard to take seriously. So far no humans have questioned the cosmic coincidence that the only other species of intelligent life in the universe looks exactly like us. Gee, what are the odds?

    Star Trek got away with virtually all of its aliens looking like us in the 1960s, when sci-fi was more naive, but twenty years later, TNG had to explain it. On Babylon 5 and Farscape not all the aliens looked like us. On Stargate they really are humans, although that doesn't explain why they all speak Modern English.

    This thread should really be in SciFi. I'll probably move it.
     
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  5. superstring01 Moderator

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    More to the point, why would ANY species with the technology to traverse the stars, need our planet?

    Futurists (at least the respectable ones) know that there's a threshold that a species will cross where they will literally find living on a planet to be a nuisance. Any species that can build gigantic ships to traverse the stars would have the ability build gigantic--fully controlled--space stations/ships for living spaces without subjecting their species to the tenuous business of planetary living, much less risk a nuclear war caused by its previous occupants.

    The technology needed to build such a ship and control gravity, surprisingly, would start on the sub-atomic level: nano-technology. That level of ability presumes the ability to make--literally--anything. All that is required is some basic matter (hydrogen) and a star. And even if they didn't want to expend the effort on making higher levels of matter; all of the OTHER materials for existence exist--in many orders of magnitude more--throughout the rest of the solar system, and they are easier to get to. No pesky humans to stand in their way!

    Our water? Why? Less gravity on Mars and Europa and easier to get to. Methane? Why, they have the ability to harness power from something other than combustion, but just in case, they have to, they have Titan. Iron? The asteroids. All of this, and not even considering that there are NUMEROUS other systems closer to home with abundant solar power and material resources.

    What--precisely--is it that the Earth has that they need?

    I hate that TV shows stoop down to the lowest level of thinking.

    I started to read the original creator's book of how the original show concluded. In it he wrote that the "V"s had taken HALF. . . HALF of the Earth's water by the second generation of their stay on Earth.

    That's 50 years!

    There is about 330 MILLION cubic miles of water on the Earth. The V's showed up, originally, with fifty ships. Each ship was a little over a mile in diameter. Simple math (and I hate math) shows that each ship could (and this is generous) hold about 1/20'th of a cubic mile of water (considering crew quarters, various science and rec decs, engines, storage, landing bays, etc). If SOMEHOW this species were to muster up 1,000,000 ships, it would STILL take them about 55,000 years to take HALF of the Earth's water (assuming a 17 year round trip to Sirius [their home system] and back). And, then one has to ask, why would a species, who can build 1,000,000 1-mile in diameter ships, need to come to the Solar System. . . FOR ANYTHING?

    Now, after suspending my disbelief for the new TV series, I did find it entertaining, and will hand it to the makers: they, at least, made it fun. No need to think too much.

    ~String
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    lizard creature or not i'd stick my dick in that.
     
  8. superstring01 Moderator

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    There was a "b" movie recently about a girl with a mutation that gave her teeth in her hoo-hah. Wonder if that would change your mind.

    Teeth

    ~String
     
  9. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Perhaps there is a reason. The pilot makes it clear to the viewers that they're not who they say they are, but even without that clue it's hard to believe that no one on Earth--including the government, academic and (most especially) military leaders--has asked that question. Maybe that will happen in episode 2.

    The gist of your criticism boils down to a question that any precocious teenager would ask. The energy required for interstellar travel at any velocity even vaguely close to useful is super-mega-humongo-gynormous. If you've got an energy source that large and the technology to tap it, what the frell do you need with anything on Earth?

    No matter how many secrets of the universe we unlock, we continue to be staring down at the near-certainty that FTL travel is impossible. Yet sci-fi depends on it. There can be no "galactic empires" and "space wars" if relativity is insurmountable. A one-way trip to the nearest star will take a major fraction of a human lifetime and circumnavigation of the galaxy will be a multimillion-year voyage. So we're gonna have to participate in suspension of disbelief somewhere along the way. At this point we just have to accept "V" as nothing more than old-fashioned space opera and cooperate with the suspension of disbelief.

    Maybe they're running low on dilithium crystals and haven't got enough latanum to buy more.

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    And the average American knows less than nothing about science, so this won't be a problem for him.
    And the aliens are certainly depending on that. They're recruiting people who are thinking with their hormones. We know those are costumes; they have obviously done their homework and understand our standards of beauty. I'd guess that the male costumes are pretty good-looking too.
     
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  10. superstring01 Moderator

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    Let us hope. Even still, I found it an enjoyable, if mindless, diversion.

    ~String
     
  11. Dirty Dan And knowing is half the battle Registered Senior Member

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    ROFL..I actually laughed out loud too. Unexpected but funny.
     
  12. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    That's not true. In the premiere as Anna was walking thru a bunch of press one of them yelled out "Our scientists can't explain how aliens could possibly look exactly like us". Anna replied, "Well, our scientists can....."

    And that was the last we heard on that issue.
     
  13. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Oh thanks, I missed that!

    Of course most of us sophisticated Earthlings would assume that a species with the technology the Visitors obviously had, in order to have so easily gotten here and done the things they did before we met them face to face, could just as easily be presenting holographic avatars. Or even what for them are low-tech Muppet costumes.

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    Still, you'd think the heads of state, not to mention military leaders, psychologists, the Pope, the Patriarch, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Ayatollah, the Dalai Lama, etc., would demand to see them in their natural form. A little candor would be in order before we give them the ceremonial Key To The Planet.

    Or send our children up to their ship without parental supervision???
     
  14. RubiksMaster Real eyes realize real lies Registered Senior Member

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    I'm more of a fan of Laura Vandervoort's character (Lisa). She is smokin'!
     
  15. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    I like the series so far. I was also a big fan of the original.

    The Sci-Fi channel showed the original series all day long in the days leading up to the debut of the new V, and I watched just about all of it.
     

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