Using a contiguous universal ether for unifying cosmic forces

Discussion in 'Alternative Theories' started by Michael Anteski, Jan 18, 2015.

  1. Michael Anteski Registered Senior Member

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    quantum_wave,

    In building my origin/ether model I used codebreaking of an obscure source of information in an historical Document, putatively other-worldly.

    I don't think it's pertinent to ask where space came from. If anything can be said to "just be," I think space would be it. -In my model, Original Space, before the first appearance of forces, was self-compatible, such that spatial point localities were oscillating, reciprocally, in symmetry. Oscillational fatigue of adjacent "point" pairs then produced "Yin and Yang" combinations at multiple spatial locations. (The oscillatory reciprocity distance-parameters would not have been infinite, so the "point localities" leading to the formation of an ether would have been finite - vanishingly minute, but finite.)

    Oscillational fatigue occurs in metals, but since that is a quantum process, it can't be definitely related to oscillational fatigue in first-cause space.

    In my model, the Yin and Yang units are not the ether. -These units were what broke the hitherto-perfect symmetry of space, but that event would have to have produced a secondary event, in which other spatial point-localities transitioned from oscillation to vibration. As seen from the classic depiction of the Yin and Yang combination in ancient lore, it is symmetrical and therefore could not act dipolarly. A dipolarly-acting ether would have had to be made of elemental units other than the Yin-Yang pairs.

    Vibration is a dipolar feature. -As elemental ether units vibrate, the vibration would be first to one side, then the other side, a dipolar effect, as it manifests resonationally. Elemental ether units resonate linearly, unit-to-elemental unit, via connections between their outwardly projecting vibrations. -The ether in my model would have to have an elemental dipolarity -All forces which show polarity, such as magnetism and gravity, would have to represent basic cosmic forces in space that derive their dipolarity ("north pole, south pole") from the dipolarity of elemental ether units. Such forces derive their basic action from interactive resonation in the ether. As elemental ether units interact, they form linear entrainments, leading to larger "particle capacity" units, and on up to quantum and atomic scale units. -Our familiar quantum scale forces act via spin/vector mechanisms. The underlying ether acts via vibrational mechanisms, only.

    As far as God, as asked about in your post, in my model, as the first etheric resonational entrainments were formed, they would have tended to interact resonationally, also, with other etheric entrainments, producing, in the early cosmos, foci of energically-super-intense, and etheriically super-refined, focal energic processes. Such concentrated and super-refined foci could have, at a certain point in time, led to a sapient etity(ies), and also led to the first biological entities. (Such energic foci would have had to be transient, since there was not yet any controlling macrocosmic system of energy - i.e., the foci would have been of transient magnetism.

    Subsequently, sapience like this would have led to intentional creation, at first to optimize regional existential conditions for the first entity, and ultimately, would have led to the creation of cosmic systems like our universe. The creation would have involved judicious mental projection of powerful etheric forces. -At first, the smallest and fastest etheric units, which might be called "electronics," were projected, then as the electronics formed entrainments, that led to resonations that produced larger units ("protonics" and "neutronics," which, being larger, were slower, and tended to sit inside nuclei of nascent atoms.
     
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  3. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Some things should just be kept to yourself, lol. Science has a method. Excluded from that method are the Supernatural, and "other-worldly". Until other worldly sources become mainstream, they are not science. Never-the-less, let's say that your source could have some redeeming characteristic: What is your source, and why would you consider it to be credible?
    Yes, I agree. But you differentiated it by saying "pure space", and implied a change of state from pure space. The model proposed that a universal ether arose from pure space. What caused that change in state?
    Is there a time line, where first there was pure space, then the ether, and then the appearance of forces. Give me the time association there, and then tell me when in that time line "self-compatible", or compatibility came into the time line.
    All of that is interesting, and worthy of discussion, after the time line is laid out. I must go back to my premise that you have not defeated infinite regression, and so every event after some point in time that you say existed, leads back in time to a false start. Pure space, the emergence of the ether ... do you see? What caused that change in state. Personally, it seems more logical for your whole cosmic model to say that it all started with the ether. I sense that you can't say that because you would be violating the clues obtained by code breaking, i.e. deciphering the code in the obscure historical, other-worldly document. Am I right about that?
    Now we are getting somewhere. You left all of that out of the OP. The cosmic system that is "our universe" came after this "cosmic consciousness", and was a creative product of that consciousness. You need to identify this document, and specify the initial conditions out of which all of these events in the time line evolved.
    Am I wrong to surmise that you attribute the existing cosmic universe to a telepathic telekinesis that preceded the physical universe, but was etherial?
     
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  5. Michael Anteski Registered Senior Member

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    quantum_wave,

    "What is my source, why credible?" - In my decoding work, I've not chosen to delve into "personalities." I consider the source to be a representative of a cosmic plane willing to divulge information otherwise obscure to humans in our earth setting. For me that is enough to know about it. I will say that I've done a lot of work with these sets of codes, with internally consistent logical results.

    "Timeline?" - This gets into the question of how one defines "time." -In my ether model, Time as we experience it is a rate, which depends on the vibrational rate of elemental ether units. That rate is variable, depending on the macrocosmic energy-setting. -Near a magnetically-active celestial body, like earth, the ambient energy setting is relatively high, and the vibratory rate of its constituent ether units is faster than, for instance, in outer space, away from such bodies, where there is a lower energy setting. -The vibratory rate of the elemental ether units filters through all the way to our atomic/molecular structured world, because everything is ultimately made up of the ether units. -To ask what the "timeline" would be for first-cause space and pre-ether events is a question I haven't dealt with up to now. I have heard occultists talk about a "timeless" zone, but that would be outside my ether model. It is hard enough getting recognition for the ether model in our quantized world without trying to go into great detail beyond it, at least at present.

    "Document?" - I am not going to give details about the historical Document, because there is nothing in it for me. The Document itself is not "obscure," it's in the literature. -By referring to the Source as "obscure," I just meant that the information comes from outside our usual sources of information.

    "God, cosmic universe, creation?" - My source of info gives the description as being that a mentally-produced etheric projection, or propulsion, of the smallest, and fastest, etheric units (which I referred to as "electronics") set off a self-replicating self-propagating process in the ether which, following the "judicious directions" in the mental projection, led, in a series of programmed steps, to the universe we have now.
     
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  7. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Well if you cite the document, maybe, just maybe you won't come off as sounding insane.
     
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  9. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Just remember, you said "other-worldly", and you represent your model as unifying cosmic forces. That sounds like you are trying to be kind of "sciencey", but the whole foundation of your discussion is outside of the scientific method.
     
  10. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Too late for that I'm afraid.
     
  11. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Hey Kristoffer, don't you have a man's penis to tend to as opposed to contaminating intelligent discussions where you clearly do not belong?
     
  12. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    If you were traveling at the speed of light, the universe would appear contracted to a point. This is according to special relativity SR. In a speed of light reference, our universe would appear like a singularity, where all thing appear to overlap. If the laws of physics are the same in all references, this impression of a singularity from C, would make all things appear interconnected, since it takes zero time for things to interact at zero distance.

    If we slow from the speed of light, according to SR, distances will expand and time will speed up. What appeared overlapped now appears to get spaced out in space and time. If part of the reference remains at C and part slows for the expansion, but the two remain connected, things appear both integrated and differentiated at the same time.
     
  13. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    You clearly don't belong on a science forum.
     
  14. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Motion is relative. Therefore, I will take some liberty with your post, knowing you don't generally carry on two way discussions, and pretend you said, "If you accelerate to the speed of light, the universe would appear contracted to a point". Oh wait, sorry, you cannot accelerate to the speed of light from a rest position, so let's rephrase your statement to, "If you could accelerate to the speed of light relative to a rest position, the universe would appear contracted to a point". Oh wait. No, I don't think it would. If you were to reach the speed of light relative to your initial rest position, and look forward into the direction of motion, you would only see things that were moving away from your starting rest position, i.e they would have been red shifted. Prior to reaching the speed of light, as you accelerate, depending on their initial relative motion, you would see those objects appear to change from red shift to blue shift, until you overtake them. If you look behind back in the direction you accelerated away from, once you reach the speed of light, objects in your initial rest frame would appear to have stopped cold.
     
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  15. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    I think he needs help, as I've said elsewhere.

    He calls telling people to kill themselves "good advice", he spouts homophobia on the level of a 7 year old who has no concept of sexuality (except calling people a fag made his dad laugh, maybe?) and he keep making threads about reality .

    I'm fairly certain reality saw Spellbound and thought "Nope, I'm going the other way. Down that road craziness lies".

    Regards
    The infamous (own) penis lover
     
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  16. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    What's wrong with loving penis?
     
  17. Kristoffer Giant Hyrax Valued Senior Member

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    Absolutely nothing, but Spellbound thinks calling people "penis lover" is the pinnacle of humorous insults.
     
  18. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    This is not exactly true. If this was true, the twin paradox would be rendered invalid. In the twin paradox, only one of the two twins ages. The aged twin is not random, because there is a preferred reference. If motion was relative, the aging twin would be random, like the flip of a coin. This is not how it works in experiments. Clocks in space lose time. Relative reference or motions would mean the earth lab clock would also randomly lose time since motion is relative. This is not the case.

    The preferred reference has to do with energy. In special relativity, there is a relativistic mass term with mass/energy being connected. The reference that contains the kinetic energy; propulsion, will see real relativistic effects that can linger when you bring the two twins together; clock is permanently slower. Relative reference is one of the biggest blunders in physics since it ignores mass/energy. In fact, relativistic mass is reasoned away so the magic trick appears to work. This where we never allow the twins to meet, so we can maintain the illusion. Space clocks meet with their twins on earth and we see only one changes; preferred reference.

    One interesting observation about the twin paradox is, although the moving twin; kinetic energy reference, ages slower and this extra youth lingers in time, when he returns to earth; he remains younger, his contraction in distance, is reversible and is not permanent. The change in space-time reference, due to kinetic energy; relativistic mass, permanently impacts time and not both space and time; time potential.
     
  19. Michael Anteski Registered Senior Member

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    Correction: The title I gave this Thread is ambiguous, because in my model of the ether, the key actors, the elemental ether units, are not seen as physically contiguous. They only become contiguous in the sense that their outward vibrations form loose connections (not "fixed" connections) as they resonate with each other - i.e., they are energically contiguous, only.
     
  20. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Thanks for clearing that up. I have been an amateur cosmology hobbyist for a long time, and way back in the evolution of my model, I used to like the idea of an elementary energy particle (EEP); maybe it would have some similarity to your elemental ether units. I superseded that concept with intersecting waves converging in the medium of space, where the energy density at the point of intersection is double, or at least equal to the combined energy of the two parent waves . That causes a high energy density spot at the location of the intersection. It is a very short lived high density circumstance, but in an environment consisting of only waves traversing the medium of space, the high density spots are occurring briefly but numerously in any given volume of space as time passes. What it did for me was let me make it axiomatic that the universe was filled with the medium of space, and space , as well as wave energy traversing the medium of space, had always existed; no contiguous or adjacent pieces of ether (elemental ether units) necessary, no universal changes in state without cause, a "sameness" as to the processes of particles and big bangs, and the defeat of both infinite regression and entropy. But that is why I'm posting in the fringe, lol.
     
  21. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    In my post asserting that motion is relative, note that I referred to an initial frame of reference against which to measure motion. That is the same circumstance as in the twin paradox where one twin remains in the initial frame, and the traveling twin occupies a frame in motion relative to the "stay-at-home" twin.
     
  22. Michael Anteski Registered Senior Member

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    quantum_wave,

    In my ether model, the 'waves" we observe in our quantum-order energy systems represent curving entrainments of ether units underlying the quantum units. The elementals are resonating with each other, and concomitantly generating larger and larger particle-capacity units, on up to the quantum units. The quantum order units just happen to be the smallest ones we are able to detect. -Curving pathways are also seen in particle research, such as the track-patterns that sub quantum units follow after particle collisions. -In mt ether model, all these curvilinear processes reach back, etiologically, to the first Yin and Yang units that broke perfect symmetry, first-causally, and then led to the formation of elemental ether units.
     
  23. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    At what point is this horrific caricature of a science thread going to be chucked into the cesspool? It is not even pseudoscience, it is just random noise....
    This is so Victoresque but with more sciency sounding words.
     

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