# US warships frightened by Iranian boats; War of Terror; US foreign policy, etc...

Discussion in 'World Events' started by S.A.M., Jan 7, 2008.

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Yep, let's all grab our car keys, credit cards, go shopping, and get back to work tomorrow. For my escape, I'm going flying right now. We're still an astonishingly beautiful country from up there.

3. ### NeildoGoneRegistered Senior Member

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Just stay away from the ice this time.

- N

5. ### iceauraValued Senior Member

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Let's discuss this from the standpoint of the one choosing the line of fire, and the methods of firing.
And would you also avoid firing on the enemy from your city, farm, etc, as they were attacked ? Would you abandon all areas where people live, and collect with your allies in an exposed place without water, shelter, or food, and leave your communities to the enemy ?
Then let's admit to the consequences of doing it.
And the people choosing the weapons and tactics of assault are not ? And where exactly is "behind" - it seems to include nearby buildings, rooftops, wedding parties, etc.
And yet we kill so many of them - apparently many more than we kill enemy soldiers. With such efforts, how does that happen ? And who defines "unnecessary" ?

The accuracy of the very best of the "smart bombs", last I checked, was 90% within a 10 meter radius (circular error probability, at right angle to the approach) under carefully controlled test conditions. That is truly remarkable. But it means that a bomb coming in at an angle, under war conditions of launch, into a typical Iraqi city or town, has a good chance of hitting the wrong building - let alone killing the wrong people, in the blast. And bombs have been dropped on apartment buildings in Iraq, in Lebanon.

And the 10% that "miss" ? They go all over. A few have landed in neighboring countries.

So is the person who chooses that bomb launch as their tactic responsible for the consequences ? Does it matter that invasion and occupation are different from defense and residence ?

And we have not even begun to appraoch the rest of the tactics and weaponry, the checkpoint setups, etc., - not as "smart". Our efforts to minimize unnecessary deaths have not been spectacularly successful. Is it the thought that counts, or are shootings of pregnant women on their way to the hospital, and similar failures in execution, more important ?

7. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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You give me hope in America dude. Good on you.

But sadly, here he goes again. Its not long now, eh?

"Confront Iran danger early - Bush"
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7185580.stm)

"Mr Bush said Iran threatened the security of all nations and should be confronted "before it's too late"."

Now why am I getting such a strong feeling of deja vu?

8. ### countezeroRegistered Senior Member

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Probably because you want to. Barring some dramatic turn of events, the US is not going to war with Iran.

9. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Have you ever been in combat count?

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12. ### S.A.M.uniquely dreadfulValued Senior Member

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I just hope that Bush and Co do not succeed in their not so transparent desire to war with Iran.

13. ### countezeroRegistered Senior Member

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What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

14. ### Buffalo RoamRegistered Senior Member

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Now why isn't this in screaming headlines across the world news?

President Bush Promised Unilateral Nuclear Bomb Attack Against Iran!!!!

a statement like that, there is no way that it wouldn't be Page One, Lead Story, on Every News organ of the entire world, T.V. Radio. News Print, and in the United Nations,
the Anti U.S. crowed would have a field day with something like that.

(http://www.veteransforcommonsense.or...rticle&ID=9104)

Of coures they are know for their unbiased point of view.

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15. ### Buffalo RoamRegistered Senior Member

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Well President Bush better get on with it...352 days and counting down.

16. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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Global mass media is centralised, and has a unified voice. You know THAT right? Dont believe everything you hear and see on telly. Sniff around a little.

17. ### stretcheda junkie's broken promiseValued Senior Member

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A fucking LOT! It tends to change ones outlook quite dramatically. I take it the answer is NO...

18. ### Buffalo RoamRegistered Senior Member

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That is just it I didn't here it on the telly, and I have sniffed around a bit and can find no reliable source for the assertion of;

(http://www.veteransforcommonsense.or...rticle&ID=9104)

That of any promise being made to Nuke Iran, by President Bush.

Then how come so many global new stories castigate the hell out of President Bush, as a war mongering cowboy.

And its still 352 days and counting down, if he's a gonna do it, he better get crackin.

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For example?

20. ### Echo3RomeoOne man wolfpackRegistered Senior Member

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War with Iran:2008::draft:2004

21. ### iceauraValued Senior Member

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But bombing Iran: 2008, maybe equivalent to inadequate forces, coerced extensions of service, extended tours of duty, abuse of National Guard, increased reliance on air power, and hiring of mercenaries: 2004 ?

Speaking of things that only fringe radicals were predicting, to ridicule, in '02.

W has never pushed for a draft, nor have any of the neocon policies guiding his administration involved one. W has been pushing for bombing Iran since '04, and especially since '06, and the guiding policies of his administration recommend it.

22. ### Echo3RomeoOne man wolfpackRegistered Senior Member

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It doesn't matter what the present administration wants; they've used up their clout. In truth, Bush has done more to reduce the likelihood of a military confrontation with Iran than they have increased it, though mostly unintentionally.

23. ### S.A.M.uniquely dreadfulValued Senior Member

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To look on the bright side, a war with Iran will bring Iran into the Rest of the World and kick the US out of it.

Might be good for both of them. If Iranians can manage the same strength of character they have shown so far.