US 'must end secret detentions'

Should the rest of the world force the US to change their ways? Sanctions?

i think that we need america more than they need us, they are the wealthiest, and largest exporting country in the world

 

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thevisitor;

in your own countries words this is not a war. if iraqi resistance activity is labelled as 'insurgency', then that would mean that its not a war, but an occupation. as occupiers you are supposed to be acting in the best intererests of the country which you are occupying, and acting as a form of police, not soldiers.

therefore any prisoners captured by these police should be subject to the laws of iraq not US military law.

 

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Heh, that made me laugh out loud. It will never happen until the world can survive economically without the U.S. consumers.

Yes, just one of the many hypocritical actions of this criminal administration. They should have all been impeached and jailed for criminal negligence after the 9/11 attacks, the fact that they were reelected gave me serious doubts as to the intelligence of my fellow Americans.

 

Money well spent though.
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Yes, well wasn't Saddam tried in Iraqi court.
Most of the terrorists held in Guantanamo aren't even Iraqis, they are from everywhere all focused on one thing destabilize the west.
We don't have to tell where they are, like I said we didn't even have to keep them alive.
We are the good guys, so even with the media howling (for a scandal against Bush before the elections of course)....the prisoners are still treated better than Americans would be in a fanatical Muslim regime.

And another thing - do you believe the U.N. is impartial in these acusations?.
Of couse not, the U.S. threatens their authority and the quicker we are out of their way, world wide socialism can begin.
Is that what you want?.......No middle class, workers and rulers who don't have to work.
Keep whinning about America and someday maybe you'll get your wish.
It'll be too late when you look up from the floor to that man with the whip in his hand.

 

you do have to keep them alive, even POWs have rights under the geneva convention(although you have already defied that in so many ways that if any other nation did it they would be invaded in by the UN)

'good guys' is a matter of perspective. just look at the cold war. and every american war since then. hell, im sure even kaiser wilhelm thought he was leading the 'good guys'

look at iran. it is an islamic republic. it is ruled according to principles taught in the qu'uran. the only difference between iran and america is that iran openly declares it is an islamic republic. your government seems to be in denial of the fact that they are an evangelist government under the republicans.
and if you think that its all their fault because they dont like you, so you can abuse them all you want, just look at what your wars and corrupt politics have done to the middle east. imagine that you lived in somewhere like palestine or afghanistan, you would certainly want justice on america too.

the UN if not for the veto, (which was something america would not join without) is a democracy. what the UN decides is based on what the majority of the world believes is right(of course this is slightly flawed in that there is only one vote per country, and there may be large groups within a country that oppose what the rest of the country support, but this is the same as your electoral system would work was it not rigged)

what do you mean? workers and rulers that dont haev to work? isnt that exactyl what happens in america, or any capitalist country? someone is born into wealth, and they employ workers to maintoin their wealth. they themselves do little to no work, but because they control all of the wealth the workers are unable to oppose them.

 

Well..

Not really. If you'll notice in that article about Germany, they're the largest exporter in the world, and it's due to Eastern European purchasing. They also export more there than to the U.S. Face it, the U.S. isn't the only nation in this world who can buy stuff. And the only reason why the U.S. can buy so much crap is because the average household is in debt for thousands of dollars. If I were to live off credit only, I could go crazy too and I'm sure other countries could as well. Imagine other countries being able to buy junk with over an 8 trillion dollar debt.

Heh, I like that one.

I completely agree.

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Read the Geneva Convention art. 4: and then tell me why they should have POW status.

Then theres :
Fourth Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Fourth Geneva Convention (or GCIV) relates to the protection of civilians ... Protected person is the most important definition in this section because ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention

From what I have read these people are being treated better than need be.

 

This is absolutely dumbfounding. Palestine...U.S has done more to help in that situation than any European nation (***** can come in now and talk in circles) and Afghanistan??? you have a short memory.

was it really that long ago? some of you guys spend your lives tucked away somewhere in a lab...no doubt!

 

how many billions of dollars have you given in aid to israel so that it can build its apartheid wall and shoot anyone who crosses it without waiting in hour long lines to get to the hospital?

how many afghani civilians have died as a result of your war as opposed to excecutions by the taliban?

in what ways has america helped any nation in the middle east apart from israel?

 

Wrong. The U.S. is Germany's second largest trading partner, Germany imported some $29.2 billion from the U.S. in 2000, meanwhile the U.S. imports from Germany totaled $58.7 billion in 2000. The U.S. is responsible for the vast majority of Germany's total exports. The U.S. is the EU25's largest trade partner, in 2004 the EU25 exported some 235 billion euro of goods to the U.S., that represents 24% of the EU25's total exports.

Once again, sanctions are a fairy tale until the rest of the world can operate economically without the U.S. consumers.

 

I have given nothing, don't confuse the government with the people.

 

Article 3 of the first geneva convention states:

In the case of armed conflict not of an international character occurring in the territory of one of the High Contracting Parties, each Party to the conflict shall be bound to apply, as a minimum, the following provisions: (1) Persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause, shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons: (a) violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture; (b) taking of hostages; (c) outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment; (d) the passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all the judicial guarantees which are recognized as indispensable by civilized peoples. (2) The wounded and sick shall be collected and cared for. An impartial humanitarian body, such as the International Committee of the Red Cross, may offer its services to the Parties to the conflict.

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any person you detain must be treated humanely and given fair trial.

 

yes they did have to take them alive. the only way you would have been able to detain these people is if they were unarmed or incapacitated, either way it would have been illegal to kill them.

 

Law exists only as long as sufficient parties are willing and able to enforce it. With bloodshed if necessary.

 

And as the self-proclaimed police of the world, we should be the first to uphold the Geneva convention mandates. To call ourselves the "defenders of freedom", we should not be so hypocritical in our policies. Of course, I'm speaking about the current Administration.

 

Yeah, the pack of worthless, slack-jawed, grafters who could not keep Saddam Hussein from terrorizing all his regional neighbors (because they were getting rich from Saddam’s oil money), couldn’t prevent the massacres in Darfur, hasn’t stopped the killing in the Middle East between the imaginary Palestinians and the Israelis and hasn’t done squat to keep evil dictators from killing innocent people anywhere has decided the United States, who supplies a goodly portion of the UN budget and armed forces, is a meanie. The US has no right to stop Islamic murderers from killing US citizens.

What report? You mean this politically motivated hack job? What is the substance to the ‘report’? How many ‘secret’ people has the US detained? Who are these detainees? Under what circumstances have they been secretly detained? How long have they been secretly detained? Other than a politically motivated ‘report’ by an organization highly jealous and envious of the US, what evidence exists for the allegations?

What secret detentions? This is really a great ploy. By alleging ‘secret’ detentions, the UN can claim anything, and the US can’t defend itself. Since there’s no solid information, who can say what happened or didn’t happen?

How would anyone know if the US did ‘change’? What is to be changed? If the US announces, “We have stopped all secret detentions”, the anti-US faction will publish a “We told you so” report. If the US stopped all ‘secret detentions’, how would the US show the world the change? The anti-US faction would claim no change had been made; just the US is doing it ‘secretly’. It’s already a ‘secret’; who’s to know?

What sanctions? Is Kofi Annan going to hold his breath until he turns blue? Are the Arab nations going to restrict our oil supply? Maybe Iran will accelerate its nuclear program? Will Russia and China vote against us in the Security Council? I’ve got it! The United Nations will move its headquarters out of New York City and the United States? Dang! That will bring the US to its knees.

Who cares if the US can police the world? The US is far more interested in the defense and well-being of US assets and citizens. The US will be able to defend itself in a manner few other nations can.

If the United States was as self-centered and as rapacious as the wannabes and whiners claim, we’d already own you all.

 

Bravo!

 

Come and try, american scum. You can't even handle Iraq.