US Democratic Party still doesn't understand why it lost to Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Kittamaru, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Not consciously, they believe they are doing what's good for the country.
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    They believe that the destruction of the rest of us, as a people and a civilization, would be good for the country. And as with the Confederacy that marked their original organization and formation: if they have to destroy the country to save it from us, they will.
    A fair summary. But there's an important, central, basic objection to its thesis as illustrated by this quote:
    There has been no such "traditional Republican mantle" in the actual Republican Party since 1968. There hasn't been even a working, significant Republican faction representing that "mantle" since 1980. Trump's triumph is not over the Republican Party - Trump is the triumph of the Republican Party. There is no "taking back" anything Republican on the table - there's no "back" to take the Party to.

    This matters, because this is going to be a disaster - another Reagan mudslide, as with W - and until it is pinned on the Republican Party they will hold power and prevent recovery, just as they did after W.
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I would be more inclined to posit that the republican party was only elected by default of Trump's success. If Trump is not the product of the Repub's then he damn well needs to be, hence the lack of any real anti- trump - reclaim the party agenda. The party just morphed itself to accommodate Trump.

    I know you are suggesting other wise but if you recall the process that Trump used to gain nomination, a process of hijacking the Repub. party. "If you are not with me I will go it alone" or something like that...was said behind closed doors. They decided to be "with him" and morphed accordingly. IMO
     
  8. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Republicans won because it is their turn.

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  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Congress, the Governors, the State Legislatures? Please.
    He won the Republican nomination by declaring his candidacy as a Republican, running in and winning lots of Republican primaries, and thereby earning election as the Republican nominee at the Republican Party convention - to loud acclaim and enthusiastic support from the entire Republican voting base.
    The Party made no changes whatsoever to accommodate Trump - aside from removing a couple of planks in the official platform that Putin wanted removed.
     
  10. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps they ought to ditch the democratic process and simply do just that.. take turns...Dems for 2 terms, repubs for 1 term, dems for 2 terms, repubs for 1.... hee hee
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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  12. Bells Staff Member

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    It means he's campaigning, or I guess, stumping..
     
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  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    They are taking turns tho it is more equalized than your proposal.

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  14. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The Dems have lost their political power nationwide because
    1) they neglected to secure the voting and vote counting against suppression and fraud
    2) they neglected to groom local recruits for State office, and Governors and State level politicians for national office
    3) they abandoned basic principles of leftwing and liberal government to chase ephemera of temporary popularity, and were left with no popularity and a reputation for spinelessness and incompetence.
    4) they spent the past forty years trying to cozen votes out of people who have demonstrated, repeatedly, over decades, that they have pledged their fortunes, their children's lives, and their sacred honor, to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Newt Gingrich and Roger Ailes.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...meback-miners-reject-retraining-idUSKBN1D14G0
    There is no cure for that guy except of his own finding. The Dems lose because they keep trying to suck up to the Republican base, the Trump voters. It won't work, and as long as they try to make it work nothing else will work either.
     

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