US air strikes kill 140 civilians in Afghanistan, including 93 children

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  1. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Holy G-d. It does not matter? That is the REASON for the invasion of Afghanistan, but it does not matter??? Thousands of DEAD Afghanis do not matter??? WAI.
     
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  3. Zephyr Humans are ONE Registered Senior Member

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    To work as slaves? Or slave masters?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/johann-hari/the-dark-side-of-dubai-1664368.html

     
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  5. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    The connection between the Taliban and Al Quida was why we invaded, not because we thought the Taliban knew about the 9/11 plot specifically. Of course thousands of dead Afghanis matter, Mr. Strawman (living up to your name).
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  8. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    So true.
     
  9. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    You mean manual laboreres have it hard in a country? Oh my, what will we do!

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    Not any worse than the manual laborers in the vast majority of the Western world. Theres always room for improvement and I dont agree with what happens to the manual labourers there, but its not much different than most of them in the West.
     
  10. Arsalan Registered Senior Member

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    So should other countries be allowed to invade the US because of the presence of terrorist networks here or the presence of large groups advocating bombing and destroying other countries? No. If you think the Taliban could kick Al Qaeda out of AFghanistan, you are mistaken. It would be like the administration trying to kick out the minutemen or the police.
     
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  12. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    The military has video evidence that indicates no more than 30 civilians were killed in the airstrike:
    Video evidence recorded by fighter jets and the account of the ground commander suggest no more than 30 civilians were killed in a two-day battle in western Afghanistan this month, the U.S. military said Wednesday, a stark contrast with Afghan claims that 140 civilians died.

    The footage shows insurgents streaming into homes that were later bombed, said Col. Greg Julian, the chief U.S. military spokesman in Afghanistan. He said ground troops observed some 300 villagers flee in advance of the fighting, indicating that not many could have been inside the bombed compounds.

    The figures, which the Americans called preliminary, are far lower than the numbers villagers provided to an Afghan government commission days after the May 4-5 battle in the villages of Gerani and Ganjabad in Farah province.

    The Afghan government has paid compensation to families who claimed relatives were killed; the U.S. contends the money could have acted as an incentive for families to inflate the numbers of victims. A list of 140 names provided by villagers includes at least 60 females and more than 90 people under age 18.
    Furthermore, the US only sent troops into the area in response to a plea for help from the regional governor after Afghan troops encountered heavy resistance:
    According to the U.S. military, the battle in Farah province began a day after Taliban fighters entered the two villages, demanded money from civilians and killed three former government employees. An Afghan force rushed in, only to be ambushed by as many as 300 insurgents who killed two policemen.

    The provincial governor asked for U.S. military help, and American ground troops joined the battle, the statement said.

    Before the battle was over, three other Afghan policemen were killed and a U.S. Navy corpsman was wounded trying to rescue a wounded Afghan soldier trapped by Taliban fire.

    The troops then called in F-18 fighter jet airstrikes to help rescue the soldier, the statement said.

    "Following this, one B-1 (bomber) provided fires in coordination with the ground commander on buildings and a tree grove insurgents were firing from or massing in," the statement said.

    What happened next is a matter of dispute.

    Video footage shows insurgents regrouping into houses that are then destroyed in airstrikes, Julian said.

    He could not say whether civilians were inside the buildings as the bombs fell, which he described as isolated, small structures surrounded by poppy and wheat fields.

    "There were these two large groups of insurgents running into these small rural farm buildings, where they were reorganizing. The intelligence information said these were definitely insurgents moving into these buildings and we destroyed them," Julian said.

    U.S. military aircraft hit eight buildings with 13 missiles, Julian said.

    Based on the new evidence, the investigating team "estimates that 60-65 Taliban extremists were killed in these engagements, while at least 20-30 civilians may have been killed during the fighting," the U.S. statement said.

    He said that because some 300 villagers were seen fleeing before the fighting, no more than 30 would likely have remained. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hvWEqwq3CrRvaQCmt21MfoYhjZJQD98A85180
    You might also note the following statement from the US military:
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    We regret the loss of any civilian life and express our condolences to the families who lost loved ones in this fighting with insurgents firing from and regrouping in villagers' homes," Julian said.​

    The loss of civilian life cause by US military action was an unavoidable result of the fighting, whereas the terrorists entire aim is to inflict civilian casualties. A significant difference in my opinion, if not in yours.
     
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  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Mad A what does anything SAM posted have to do with the Thread?
     
  14. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Can we see the video?

    Because 50 people were killed from one family alone. And the victims families have given a list of names.

    This is the video by RAWA [graphic]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyowNt9MR0c&feature=related

    Thats a valid comment, although it was a response to the brouhaha over an "attempted" bombing vs the media silence on the real deaths of children.

    mad, could you split the thread?
     
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  15. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Why split the thread? just so you can have another Anti Jewish, Anti American rant?

    Do it on your own.
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No so we can discuss a real bombing and real casualties instead of some morons going :runaway: over stuff that didn't even happen.
     
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  18. DiamondHearts Registered Senior Member

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    That 'military video' is a complete lie, contradicted by the governments of Pakistan, Afghanistan, NGOs, and human rights organizations in the region.

    We have all the names of those people killed, including of their families and their personal identification (IDs, passports, and bodies). There is no refuting this. For several weeks it has been shown in all the world news stations and newspapers, in the region of Southwestern Asia in particular. People have come out by the hundreds of thousands to protest this indefensible attack against only civilians.

    American media so far has kept this issue censored. This proves that the US media oligarchy is part of the military-industrial complex which is a propaganda machine used by the US government to brainwash its populace.
     
  19. tuberculatious Banned Banned

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    Maybe the children were just small terrorists. I wouldn't jump to conclusions and say they were children.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    From your link:

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  21. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps, you missed this from the link, I'll repeat it for your sake:

    Surveying the range of faculty salaries around the world feels like checking out apples and oranges ... and bananas, strawberries, kiwis, cherries, and plums."
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm you're right. Rhetorical opinions trump facts.
     
  23. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Being a particular type of willfully ignorant aren't ya.


    No of course my father would not be using me as a human shield when he comes home. However he he goes up to the roof and lob s a few mortar shells, suddenly he is. Get the difference yet? Or do i need to draw it in crayon.
     
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