unscience at its finest -the modern "psychiatry industry

Discussion in 'Human Science' started by gamelord, Jul 3, 2018.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Personally I have nothing against a person wanting end his/her own life. But that's not the point.
    A person can only be committed involuntarily, when they are a danger to society and objectively all persons are part of society, even if when considered " self". In such cases, forced counceling and medication is warranted under law, lest they become a burden on society, potentially for many other reasons than just a 5000.00 burial at tax payer's expense.

    Many people have tried to commit suicide and when unsuccessful still managed to live a long relatively happy life through counseling and medication. Any treatment they received was apparently successful in the end.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    But proper treatment might resolve the primary problem, no?
    After all, survival is nature's a priori Imperative. One has to be really sick (or old) to want to die.
     
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  5. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Gender is a fundamental thing of human psyche. Bisexuals have the ability what it feels like to be a woman in love with a man, and a man in love with a woman.
    If someone cannot do that they cannot understand love, nor can they empathize.

    Second, my other point is what is the difference between psychopaths, anhedonic, and clinically depressed?
    None of the three feel emotions or care about anything.
    I will tell you what the difference is.
    When people hate someone, they call them a psychopath. When people feel sorry for someone, they call them clinically depressed or anhedonic.
    As far as I can tell.
    But I am not 100% sure, they may be slightly different somehow.
     
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  7. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    There is a cure. Find a society that accepts you and gives you attention. Core needs: Love, attention, sex, respect/consideration.
    But America wants to downplay and shame those needs.

    Another need is healthy wholesome food and living conditions, but its the land of the trash and junk food craphole.
     
  8. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Yes and I would further state that people who cannot enjoy movies or porn, are indeed psychopaths as it seems they cannot "get into the movie" due to an inability to empathize.
    The life of a psychopath very much would be the life of a dullard or someone who is anhedonic and requires sensory overstimulation to receive entertainment value. This is why 5% of psychopaths are murderers, not more because being trapped in a cell with nothing to do would very much increase the unbearable torture the psychopath has to endure daily.

    Therefore I put forth another hypothesis and extend this even further, that psychopaths are very unhappy if they are not doing something, thus a life of a builder or programmer is how they distract themselves from their inherent unhappiness, they must always be creating something productive to escape from their anhedonia.
    Therefore I would say an anhedonic, is just a psychopath who has nothing to do and no hobbies.

    My final hypothesis of this is the american media, movies, etc. are done to death and create a culture of overstimulation, breeding normal people into psychopaths, as watching so many movies, so many porns, burns out their mirror neurons, as they get tired of the lack of satisfaction and have no longer any connection to the real thing, and begin to lose interest in life, approaching clinical depression, which is from what I can tell, no different than anhedonia, which is in turn no different than psychopathy, except for the delusional notion promoted by the mental industry that all psychopaths are "born" this way.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    To a point I agree. But men and women are not all that different and mind meld sometimes happens when one partner fills the gaps of the other.
    It's really awesome when someone expresses your unexpressed thoughts. It's like a quatum event. Snap!!!!!
     
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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Find a society that gives you attention? You have to peak someone's interest. You don't talk to "society", you talk to people.

    Society doesn't give you sex or love either. Again, people.
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Why do you concern yourself so much with the differences in terms? Who cares?

    A psychopath has no concern for others. Someone who is depressed may feel little joy in life. That doesn't mean they can't feel concern for others.

    I assume (correct me if I'm wrong) that you are bisexual. That's fine. It's ridiculous however to imply that everyone should be bisexual or they just aren't being empathetic.
     
  12. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    Society, refers to people, culture, traditions, laws rules all brainwashing and binding them into one conglomerate. When you say people, you dont give the full impact of the word society, which is the glue, culture, traditions, laws and brainwashing that holds it all together.

    That is where the fallacy begins. Do all psychopaths have no concern? No. The psychopath test says the psychopath would actually save more lives than the average person. And many surgeons are psychopaths too. And many clinically depressed or anhedonics do not care about anything let alone themselves or anyone else.

    At least people in power should be at the very least two-spirits. That is why two-spirits were the wise men of some Native American tribes. Because look at how leadership is always ran by the same hetero people, and look at the quality of leadership that provides. If you can't fully empathize as a two-spirit you should not be made leader. And it was said, that Abraham Lincoln was bisexual.
     
  13. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Your arguments are just self-justification. Whatever you want, you argue is the best way to be.

    If a guy doesn't a least sometimes wear a dress, he shouldn't be a leader...right? If he doesn't wear makeup, no woman, who was a real woman, should want him.

    Everyone should realize that you are the leader, the one who deserves sex and love and society is just too messed up to realize this, is that about right?

    You don't even want to be a "leader" do you? You don't really want a woman do you? If your parents would be OK with you bringing a passive guy home who wore makeup and a dress, wouldn't this actually be more to your liking (if he was interesting and not boring)?
     
  14. gamelord Registered Senior Member

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    This is true. If I was leader I would save america and the ozone.

    I would be the singer in this video.


    And I say again, heterosexuals have always excluded non-heteros from politics, heterosexuals oppress. And it has always been hetero dominant politics (and usually religious politics too) and look at the state of the world.
    I give a science as to why this is, if someone does not know what it is like to be a woman, or like to be a man, then they cannot represent the interests of humanity. And politicians rarely represent the interests of humanity anyway, they mostly represent the interests of the greedy elite.

    I do want a woman, but I try not to obsess about it cause it reminds me of the abuse women have done to me. So I just try to be asexual most of the time.
    Can't say I would say no to this.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    One of my fav movies is "Flawless", I had a friend like that a long time ago. I'll always remember her fondly and with respect. A delightful and generous personality and a great sense of humor.
    Movie;
    Nominated for several Oscar awards.
     
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  16. TheFrogger Registered Senior Member

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    Mr Nice complex towards psychiatrists.
     
  17. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    What constitutes a resolution of the problem? What if the patient remains miserable? Psychiatrists take credit for a lot of things they didn't accomplish. Suicide isn't as easy as pushing a button for most people; most attempts fail and end up mangling the attemptee, then they get locked up in a hospital to become miserable all over again after they've already been deterred by the failure of their initial attempt.

    A person being forcibly kept alive on drugs and remaining miserable for the rest of their lives isn't a success, it's cruelty.

    Who the heck are you to dictate what nature wants? Nature wants the laws of physics to be obeyed, nothing more. If something lives, it lives, if it dies, it dies. Most creatures want to survive because that's how evolution works, the ones that fight to survive are the ones who pass their DNA to the next generation, the rest disappear. I thought the whole thing that made humans "special" on Earth is that they analyze things on a very abstract level, and don't always do what's considered natural for any other species.

    If psychiatrists want to enforce the traditional morals of the Church and push drugs to make people comply, they have the legal basis to do that without calling it science. There are no morals in science, and there's no place for labcoats outside a real lab.
     
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    A fundamental law of physics is; "movement in the direction of greatest satisfaction".
    Consider the implications of that law.

    Sometimes death may seem more satisfactory than a specific extant condition, but that is the exception, not the rule. I am not telling what nature should do. Nature tells us what it is doing.

    p.s. I don't disagree with most of your statement, but only the part where you employ special pleading, which does not invalidate the general rule.
     
  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What law is that?
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    The law of "movement in the direction of greatest satisfaction" or attaining a "state of equilibrium".
    http://freechemistryonline.com/equilibrium-law-and-equilibrium-constant.html

    The law of "neccessity and sufficiency" is also related to this.
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Newton's three laws of motion explain the fundamental "movement" (tendency).
    https://www.livescience.com/46558-laws-of-motion.html
     
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  23. CptBork Robbing the Shalebridge Cradle Valued Senior Member

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    Most of the universe is incapable of supporting life as we know it, so lifelessness seems to be nature's "preferred" equilibrium state.

    Any psychiatrist claiming suicide goes against the laws of physics, should be charged with malpractice and sent back to undergrad physics to re-qualify for med school.
     

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