United airlines

Discussion in 'World Events' started by birch, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/0...bacle-but-for-a-reason-some-might-not-expect/

    i can't stand right-wing mentalities. it's way more obnoxious than the extreme left. you buy a ticket but you don't have a right to fly. lmao.

    conservatives are top-down asslickers.

    i wouldn't want to fly next to such a candy ass licker.

    how the hell does anything change if you follow rules that you don't agree with? Has anything changed in history because people went along with it or because they bucked the system or resisted or didn't 'follow' or 'comply'?

    what's so disingenuous and fake about all this line of reasoning of 'oh yes, i agree united shouldn't have done this or that BUT he should have followed orders' is no one would know or even be talking about airline policy or what they 'should or shouldn't' have done if he just went along. now we know what they would do, so if that's what they would do, why are these hypocrites faking sympathy when they are essentially condoning what they did.

    they are saying, if he had just followed orders then he wouldn't have been injured or forcibly removed. the fake sympathy before the 'blow' is just a way to get people to agree with the policy as if it's reasonable. aka 'he brought it on himself', oh no but we don't agree with the mistreatment etc. yes, they do. they are blaming the victim, especially rowe and it's very clear that he is completely by several of his statements and views. some 'tsk tsk' directed at united is an opening ruse and a typical way to get people to listen to you so you 'seem' impartial, fair and not a 'bad' person etc.

    it's so easy to psychologically manipulate the public because most people are stupid.
     
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  3. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Given they seem to shoot people I would be saying yes sir no sir with my hands on my head.
    We get "cop" shows here and I am amazed how ruff your police treat people...only TV but my impression is don't upset them.
    One show they threw a J walker on the ground as if he were a terrorist and public enemy number one.
    I don't know what are they really like?
    Alex
     
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  5. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Just like that. Sometimes worse. I have a female friend (single mother) that dealt low level drugs - an ounce of weed, a couple of Xanax - cops decided it would be a good idea to do a full on raid - bungie cords, Balaclavas, bust out the windows sort of raid, based on false information indicating high quantities (kilos of coke, etc.). Her child was right there... in the room... when they descended. Oooops...

    Nothing to be done. She was in the wrong - a "drug dealer". AKA, a normal person to you and I. With a puppy and house plants, not to mention a child.

    Oh well, too bad, so sad...
     
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  7. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i just find it pathetic how people are predictable. for instance, i was reading mike rowe's opinions on just this airline incident, fragment of a piece of life and i could tell he was a conservative or republican just by his views and opinions on that and sure enough, he is. just reading a few statements and eyebrows go up. it's like they have a certain way of thinking and operating. lmao.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    I'm was asking what you meant by "subdued" - you didn't say.

    Apparently he wasn't "subdued" when he was sitting quietly minding his own business in his paid-for seat. Then he wasn't "subdued" when he was semiconscious and unable to resist from having his face smashed into the armrest. So it occurred to me to inquire when the word applied - because he doesn't get medical care until after he's "subdued", see, and he's injured - possibly seriously injured.

    It seems to me that the next step in rendering him "subdued" would be to knock him unconscious - at which point they could have rendered first aid, at least got the blood under control and checked on the concussion possibility, before dragging him down the aisle of a crowded plane. Do you have another criterion?

    The other question you forgot about, there, was the one about your contention that he posed a threat to other passengers. Could you be more specific? We need something to compare with the threat posed by such inept police work, the violence instigated by them, and the blood etc dragged down the aisle, all in a crowded plane.
     
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  9. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    Ha yes.

    In other news:

    Air Canada plane lands at Heathrow without WHEEL
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4420436/Air-Canada-plane-lands-Heathrow-without-WHEEL.html

    Millions take to social media and headlines on ALL news outlets, expressing outrage. Consumers demand policy change, airline safety a major concern, As consumer confidence erodes, Air Canada lost Billions in stock price following the incident. CEO expected to resign .. ... .... oh wait ...
     
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Had they refused this guy boarding due to the plane being overbooked that angle would make a lot more sense.

    Overbooking the plane, giving him a seat, then demanding he get out because they screwed up is a whole lot different though.
    If you pay for a ticket and are seated on the airplane, following all the TSA's and airline's rules - then having a sense that you are entitled to that seat makes pretty good sense.

    If you pay for food at a grocery store, and are walking to your car with it, do you feel like you are entitled to that food? What if the store sent someone running after you demanding the food back as you were loading it into your car? Would you comply? After all, I am sure there is some clause in their store's policy that the store can deny service to anyone for any reason.
     
  11. birch Valued Senior Member

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    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-passenger-removal-watershed-event/100597086/

    All this does seem sound. United is taking the responsiblity that it was a 'systemic' problem across various areas and that the firing of some crew would not address the root of the problem. That is true in this situation.

    Also, besides their 'apology', they should just settle with him so it doesn't have to go to court.
     
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  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The injury did not occur while he was in his seat..

    Agree.

    Absolutely agree.
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    In that case, them's the chances he took.
    You can't physically defy the authorities to make a point and expect to come away without some dents.

    Yes.

    Does not warrant anarchy.

    Totally agree.
     
  15. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Wow. Really? Without bounds?

    * Please step into the oven - keep that line moving... *
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Wow, your hyperbole puts birch's to shame

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    The police were operating well within the bounds of law enforcement. The same ones that protect the other 200 passengers.

    The man was being bumped from an airplane flight fercryin'outloud; he was not having his children ripped from the teat.


    Also - Godwin's Law. You automatically lose.

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  17. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    Calm down... : ) My point was the "obey authority without question" - but, then again, I'm a rebel. So I rebel...
     
  18. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Offering an extreme is one way of making a point.

    If you resist police, and I think their ruff behaviour in any circumstance is unacceptable, it could be remembered they are armed and if you see them practicing at the range they are not aiming to hit the foot or hand so I suspect when their switch is thrown they automatically kill you, nothing personal just doing what they were trained to do.
    Perhaps compliance will save your life.
    And I would be working with an assumption that the police ruffing me up may be having a bad day and someone may receive that pent up anger via the barrel of their weapon.

    Comply and you can talk about your treatment with a lawyer.
    Resist and you may never talk again.

    Imagine if someone yelled "he has a bomb" , people panic and say stuff, our poor doctor may have been shot.

    Stay calm be polite keep living recognise without a lawyer you simply will not win and let them move onto some one else to ruff up.

    Fortunately my experience with police has always been positive over here.
    I employed a Sargent as a part time salesman when I was in real estate and a finer man you would not meet. From the things he told me about how they are treated by the force it is a wonder any stay on.

    Alex
     
  19. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

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    True. however, not always easy in the heat of the moment. Have you, personally, every been "ruffed up" by a policeman? (No sexism intended by the the "man" part of that word, just never had my head bounced off a car hood by a policewoman)

    F*ck them. And the horse they rode in on. I realize that law enforcement is necessary for a civilized society - on a macro scale - and detest LEO on a micro scale. In spite of knowing a couple that almost qualified as actual human beings. Just my opinion...
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  21. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    Except, flying in an airplane is not at all, NOTHING like buying food at the grocery store. The systems and policies required to fly the masses safely and on schedule are infinitely more complex and involves many more people to manage. My point about entitlement refers to people expecting the same customer love and experience from airlines as the have with an i-store or a grocery store. For fuck's sake, (and to quote Louis-CK ) "you are sitting in a chair in the sky!" He makes my point better and funnier than I could:
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Given that we spend more money on food safety than we do on airline regulation, I disagree.
    This guy was sitting in a chair on the GROUND. The plane was not going to crash if it took off with him in the chair. What would have happened is that United would have made a bit less money - and I find it very hard to care much about that.
     
  23. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    No, never ruffed up by anyone, been very lucky been very privileged, but I have heard many credible stories which suggest it happens.
    I don't like profanity but I love that...
    May I change it and use it...
    "Well damn them and the horse they rode in on"
    Love it.
    Well damn you and the horse you rode in on.

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    My very first brother in law was a cop.
    Fantastic bloke, you could hit him in the head with a brick and he would worry something was upsetting you.

    I would go for drinks with him and his copper mate and both the most unlikely pair of cops. Maybe keystone cops.

    They looked funny and would have made great comedians.


    Out of uniform I recon if there was a crime taking place they would have at most made an anonymous call to the station to avoid work.

    I grew up often living behind the court house next to the police station and having the Sargent's son as my best mate.
    So as I said lucky I only ever saw cops as just ordinary people.

    Alex
     

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