United airlines

Discussion in 'World Events' started by birch, Apr 12, 2017.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Easy to say in retrospect. I'm sure they're considering it too, after-the-fact.

    But do you really think that it's in any way feasible for an airliner to say 'we need four employees at airport X, better break out the learjet'.

    I'm not sure you realize how much a private flight costs.

    They'd be out of business, and then we'd be riding trains.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    pretty sure it costs less than the 600 million in lost stock value. just saying
     
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  7. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Mmmm short sell some airline stock book a flight, start a fight, have your side kick post an edited video, buy when the stock crashes...
    Alex
     
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  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Good Lord, how often are they forcibly removing unwilling passengers!? Is this kind of thing happening routinely?

    Maybe their genius executive brains can figure out how to avoid stranding their flight crews like that in the first place, then. If it's happening that often.

    Meanwhile, that gives us the range of bribes they should be willing to offer, for those occupied seats. Because forcible removal of unwilling but otherwise well-behaved passengers is not an option.

    One fourth the cost of the flight in the United Airlines executive plane, not including overhead like the cost of the plane. Possibly not including the cost of the pilot, either - surely they can fly themselves? That's the ceiling on the bribe.

    Failing that, they can replace the steward crew with the flight crew being transported. Bad service, probably, but better than beating and dragging your passengers.
     
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  9. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    No, they're just trying to appease the mob and trying to prevent us-vs-them attitude. After all, they have to deal with, and manage unruly and sometimes disgusting passenger behavior. As a moderate traveler I experienced some cases where I could have been accommodated better but have many stories of bad-behaving passengers.

    wow. (but by your big grin emoji, you were expecting this reaction). And UA is Hitler, right?
     
  10. Bells Staff Member

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    Or perhaps they recognise that beating a peaceful passenger up because he refused to give up his seat with good reason, was not acceptable.

    The passenger in question was neither of those things.

    He was not violent or abusive. He just did not want to give up his seat. They could have simply found a different way to get the crew to their destination, instead of forcing people off their flight, for $800 worth of restricted flight credit, which would not have even allowed the passengers to rent a car or book with a different airline.

    And I have been on flights where people were unruly, rude, loud, abusive and even threatening violence. Not once, did any of them have their heads bashed into the arm rest and then dragged off like an animal, with broken teeth and facial lacerations.

    And yet, this is how they treat a passenger who had done absolutely nothing wrong, was not violent?

    Pretty sure it was security that dragged him out of his seat and bashed his head into the armrest and then dragged him out. Watch the video.

    The police were there. It was security who did it though.

    The flight was not overbooked.

    United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said Tuesday that all 70 seats on United Express Flight 3411 were filled, but the plane was not overbooked as the airline previously reported. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines, which operated the flight, selected four passengers to be removed to accommodate crew members needed in Louisville the next day.

    Not sure where you are from, but most civilised and even uncivilised countries have laws against beating someone to a pulp for doing nothing wrong.

    Are you suggesting that their security breaking the guy's face and then dragging him off the plane, then causing a delay that amounted to hours because they had to clean the plane, due to the blood splatter that resulted from their security bashing him into an arm rest and then dragging his bloodied body throughout the plane, was acceptable and done legitimately?

    You think that was fair?

    Well, that says it all, I guess..
     
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  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Somewhat. But they are also responding honestly to this atrocious and violent attack. The doctor was not being unruly and did not merit such treatment. And there was no media spin to make this look a certain way. The video speaks for itself. It's hard to watch it is so galling. I'm sure he is permanently traumatized. The only spin I see is you demonizing the passenger. United is responsible for what happens on their planes. He can now retire from medicine after winning a hefty lawsuit. Good for him.
     
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  12. dsdsds Valued Senior Member

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    Again, the passenger was repeatedly ordered to get off the plane BY THE POLICE, then he was forcibly removed from his seat BY THE POLICE. It doesn't matter whether or not he deserved to get kicked out of the plane. If the cops pull you over because the suspect you (and "suspect" is very broad term) and "ask" you to get out of your car. What do you think will happen if you refuse? Try it.

    http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e/news-story/086a34ae08b0eb9f34beeea98a22e62b

    Now did YOU see the video? He was injured as a result of him being pulled out of his seat. He was pulling one way, the security guy was pulling him the other way. Then he gave way and banged his head on the adjacent seat arm rest. He was "violently" dragged because he refused to stand up.
    Yes. I believe obeying the law and not putting myself and people I care about in situations where they can be harmed. What about you?
    Shit happened. His name was randomly drawn and unfortunately for him, he needed to get of the plane. Let's say he did not get off and allowed to stay. One pilot that was going to take his seat was going to miss his destination and cause a flight cancellation which would affect hundreds of other people. Airlines should be better organized one might say? They are greedy but that industry is very complex and very competitive due to sheer volume of entitled travelers who take air travel for granted.
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    True. Police presence is the sign that the situation has escalated past 'I paid for my ticket'.

    Whatever UA is responsible for up to that point - when the police step in and say come with us - you go with them.
     
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  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    You are really bizarre in how you paint the airlines like almighty gods who are doing favors for their customers. Your logic is totally out of line on several levels.
     
  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Doesnt make it right. Now this should hold airlines accountable so they can review themselves to improve situations where its their mistake before BIG ASS GOVERNMENT AND LAWS HAVE TO GET INVOLVED TO CHANGE THEM. Right?
     
  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Agree. Not sure what might have led you to think otherwise.
     
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  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    He's not doing that.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Shit happens. They're the ones that screwed up and overbooked their own flight. And here's what United Airlines has done to rectify this policy problem of their's in the future:

    "United Airlines crew members will no longer be able to bump a passenger who is already seated in one of the airline's planes.

    The policy change was first reported by TMZ. A spokesperson for the airline confirms that United has updated its policy "to make sure crews traveling on our aircraft are booked at least 60 minutes prior to departure. This ensures situations like Flight 3411 never happen again."

    If the crew member is not booked an hour before the flight, then he or she will have to wait for the next available flight."

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...es-changes-its-policy-on-displacing-customers
     
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  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    effectively though that is his argument. that morality or even legality don't come into play. you must submit to their demands. I've seen multiple comments online from lawyers saying what united did was illegal does he care no the airline demanded it so he was required to submit in his view point. like it or not this was assault and dsdsds is just apoligizing for it
     
  20. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Did they say which law was broken?
    Alex
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes..his face was slammed against the arm rest hard enough to break his nose, knock out teeth, and make him unconscious. That's what the thugs did to him. It was their fault, not his. Hence the lawsuit.

    Bullshit. He couldn't stand up because he was knocked unconscious. There was no refusing about it.
     
  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    than why are slandering united victim and not complaining that united broke the law? the simple fact that you are ignoring in your corporate shilling is that in untied own contract of carriage makes illegal to deplane a boarded passenger for a crew member. along with their own CEO calling the plane fully boarded united and you don't have a pot to piss in.
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    its contract law so not specifically but united was in breach of their contract by forcibly removing him from the plane after he had boarded. of course their also probably going to be held liable for the assault as well. the arguments are semantic but than again contract law and disputes usually are to a certain degree.
     

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