Unf**king Believable, A mosque to be built at Ground Zero

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  1. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    This was the interpretation from a so-called Christian Saint who commited mass murder:

    "BETTER TO DESTROY THEIR BODIES AND SAVE THEIR SOULS" - Isabela of Spain.

    Gee thanks. How can I ever repay you! How about saying good bye to medevial Europe and discovering America!?

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  3. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    Please quit lying, there is no saint Isabela in catholic tradition
     
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  5. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    well if you think Iam never right that must mean I'm always right considering your never right

    the foot note comment was in regards you length of existence but the fact they have contributed very little that is solely jewish achievments and really didn't have that much of an effect on history

    both of those are false. Israel is not a nation. the jews are a nation a nation if a people. Israel is a state in that it is a country.
    well there is the Babaloyans, the Hittites, the Sumerairians, the Chinese, there was one in north eastern india, oh and Eygpt.
    except they didn't. the big book of jewish myths isn't history one of these days your going to grow up and realize that.
     
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  7. keith1 Guest

    Its all a moot point. All the religions are doomed like old men.

    If one wants to live by the sword in the new world, one needs to have nintendo fingers, to control the unmanned weapon probes. And if one doesn't savvy Pikachu, Ash, and company, one will be...eliminated.

    Is anime a religion? Yes.
    Will it take over the world? Yes.
     
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  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The problem is that those Islamics that control other countries make the laws there and that's why many Muslims moved away from those countries to begin with and came to America. To many times we blame everyone for what only some of the others are doing , which is a very bad habit to start. By showing that Muslims can and do in fact live in a FREE country like America and can practice their religion without any repercussions, only shows the others in their home countries that there's nothing to fear of every other religion, only the fear of losing their control over others that they maintain with total religious dogma.
     
  9. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    This is how Palestine, allocated to the Jews in the Balfour, was overwhelmed with Muslims as a destruction of Israel premise - it is a genocide aspiration in alignment with genocdal Quranic advocations: 'NO OTHER RELIGION SHALL PREVAIL IN ARABIA'. The same issue impacts on India today. In both cases, vast land masses were given as Muslim countries - which never existed before, all being ficticious states which never existed 120 years ago - still the majority preferred living outside of Islamic regime states - India is stuffed with over 300 M Mulsims who will never go to Pakistan - so why was it created? - and why are Muslims obsessed with 2 cubits of barren land in Palestine - are they short of land!? Muslims don't need land - they just stuff it up into shit holes. Best way to save Muslims is to overturn all regimes states created by Briton: exile is what saved the Jews.
     
  10. IamJoseph Banned Banned

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    Not just me. People are waking up to your BS, including those who commited two Holocausts, denied by Muslims. Read some of the names here:



    More BS. Israel is a nation [proven with a 3000 year text]. Please show your equivalent claim of any Islamic state also being a nation? Saudi Arabia was created 100 years ago, in secret, with no UN voting motion, as with Israel. Egypt was never Arab - the Copts own this land. Iran is under a Nazi like dictator which murders the citizens by the 1000's - and no Islamic Freedom Fighters can be found - they are all too busy fighting for freedom in the cafes and schools of other nations. Islam will rule the world, right!?
     
  11. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    If I was in Rome, I'd pop along.
    As it is, by reading your post I feel like I've been there for a week.
    You aren't Welsh are you?
    I'm not saying you are long winded or anything.
     
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  12. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Is it possible that the Israelis might give the Palestinians a Fair-go sometime?

    I never knew about the Holocaust until I was about 14.
    No-one told me anything about it at school.
    Then I discovered some books in the library that told me what happened.
    I checked the books out and took them home.
    My parents knew all about it, but they hadn't said anything either.

    I didn't know any Jews, going to a Catholic school, but I sympathised with the sheer injustice of it all. It sickened my stomach.

    Then when I saw Israelis bulldozing Palestinian homes, I felt the same thing.
    Injustice. The strong lording it over the weak.
    Sorry for being antisemitic etc. etc.
     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The present Pope may change that oversight.
    Queen Isabella is known (possibly only among religious nutcases) as the last Crusader.

    Read this:
    http://www.tanbooks.com/doct/isabella.htm
    The lunatic fringe of Catholicism can be very weird indeed.
     
  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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  15. PsychoTropicPuppy Bittersweet life? Valued Senior Member

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    I saw in a docu that touched upon the Cordoba House controversy that the 'head imam' from London said something along the lines of 'We'll take over the White House. *serious face*' He looked pretty serious when he said that.. (in the debate was also Feisal's wife present, a woman from Africa, etc.) Sadly those docus are shown only past midnight so that nobody who has a normal sleeping schedule can see them. I guess it could be called a form of censorship a la European standard.

    Either way, Cordoba House issue seems to have become a Freedom of Religion fight for some..which is loltastic if I think about the inconsiderate behaviour of the initiators of said Cordoba Initiative. If they wouldn't have claimed that this building is based on such high moral standards and supposedly a representative of mutual understanding then I would have accepted their "freedom of religion, and freedom a la USA" argument, but seeing that this project isn't welcome with open arms by the rest of society kind of hints that if this was really about building a bridge between the cultures then they'd kindly move their project a few blocks further away from the critical location they picked, but uh, no..how sensitive.

    @geoff: yeah, how ironic.
     
  16. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    You mean that guy is speaking before a completely legal organization that you dislike? Come to think of it, are there ANY muslim organizations you don't dislike?

    "Government officials in Washington said they were not aware of any criminal investigation of the group. More than one described the standards used by critics to link CAIR to terrorism as akin to McCarthyism, essentially guilt by association."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/w...174217e8d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

    Unsurprisingly, guilt by association in the lynch pin of your argument against the Cordoba Initiative as well, but BRAVO for trying to double down and associating them with CAIR. Guilt by attenuated association.
     
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  17. pjdude1219 screw watergate i want to know about zaragate Valued Senior Member

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    just you
    you mean people like you who help the jewish supremicist cause and distort history like you to suit your own nefarious puposes?
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Don't do anything until a trained professional arrives

    Sorry, Pandi: I think you mean "before an unindicted co-conspirator in the Holy Land Foundation terrorism support venture". If he'd spoken before, say, the Florida Chapter of the Klu Klux Klan, I think we'd be justified in drawing some conclusions.

    Sure: the American Islamic Forum for Democracy. The Center for Islamic Pluralism. But be sure to peddle your wide insinuations: I'd hate for you to have any less than your full say. By the by: are there any religious fundamentalist organizations you don't like?

    I love the "argumentation by gov'mint" argument: "Whul, the gov'mint don't know nothin' about it, so it ain't re-ul!" Sorry: which part of the gov'mint did this refer to? What's their portfolio? Who? Is it the one retired FBI official mentioned by name? Well, brilliant. Got me there.

    The first half of your sentence was ungrammatical, but comprehensible. I suppose I could hardly give a shit about your pre-existing bias, Pandi, but that would be saying too much. It's perfectly reasonable to wonder about the associations people make, and I'm certain it's not something you consider unethical when done by you for whatever purposes you possess.
     
  19. RadarUK Registered Senior Member

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    Tolerance

    I *am perplexed that so many people in the USA are against a mosque *being built
    near Ground Zero. I think it should be the goal of *every citizen to be
    tolerant. *The mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance.

    That *is why I also propose, that two gay nightclubs be opened next *door
    to the mosque thereby promoting tolerance within the *mosque. We could call
    the clubs "The Turban Cowboy" and "You *Mecca Me So Hot".

    Next *door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork and have *an
    open barbeque with spare ribs as its daily special. * Across the street a
    very daring lingerie store called *"Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret" with sexy
    mannequins in the *window modelling the goods.

    Next *door to the lingerie shop, there would be room for an Adult Toy Shop
    (Koranal Knowledge?), its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other
    side a liquor store, maybe call it "Morehammered"?
     
  20. ejderha Exhausted Registered Senior Member

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    I have no idea what you really think, but that's something very close to what I think. I am SO there with you, what shall I bring?

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    I mean for the opening ceremonies each. I am coming from the other side of the world. Ask for something!
     
  21. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    That is damn clever writing, and very true.
    Funny too, though most Muslims won't get the joke.
    Some sweet lines in there. A bar called Morehammered.

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    Any ideas who the author is?
     
  22. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    All of which is fine if the street in question is zoned for those and the property owners are willing to sell/lease space fore them *and*, of course you can find people who want to run (and likely lose money) on those establishments. Of course the point is that many muslims would not be tolerant of those establishments, to which I say (i) even if true, we do NOT set our level of tolerance based on the the lowest level of tolerance out there in the community..that's Old Europe talk and many Americans came here to escape that, and (ii) many Jews and Christans would have problems with strip clubs and gay night clubs, so presumably those should be excluded as well?

    Your answer is glib, but predicated on false, twin assumptions that we should only be as tolerant as we can be sure they would be, and that Islam is the only intolerant religion.
     
  23. Pandaemoni Valued Senior Member

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    The only person here talking like a redneck is you. You're the unsophisticated one, not me, so stop projecting.

    In fact, the government knows quite a lot about CAIR. Trust me that no one at CAIR lies awake because of your ill-formed diatribes against them. They have members of Congress who oppose them...none of whom can make a charge of wrongdoing stick, which is why CAIR still exists, and has not been shut down.

    If you have evidence against CAIR, then take it to the authorities...but you don't. If you had it, then so would others, and CAIR, which is, again, extremely well scrutinized, would have been destroyed and many of its members in jail. They're not. The authorities don't respond to innuendo and bigotry.

    You ask me which government agencies I was writing about, but it doesn't work that way. I would have to prove a negative to show that CAIR is not under criminal investigation. On the other hand, if you allegations are correct, then no doubt you can show which *are* investigating them. Much like your own posts, the complaints against them are all just bitching, with no sustained action ever being taken. That is why CAIR has been around so long, despite having been a pet target of many conservatives since the mid-1990s. Face facts, if your allegations were correct CAIR would have been shut down years ago.

    Worse for your case, speaking at a CAIR event, does not mean "in league with CAIR." Speaking at an event is not the same as an endorsement, and CAIR is a large forum as Muslim organizations go, and usually draws respectably sized crowds as I understand it.

    You also never answered my question: Are there any Islamic organizations of which you approve? It's perfectly reasonable to wonder if you are being unbiased if there is no Muslin Group in all of America that you consider itself respectable.

    First, please use my full screen name. You have not earned the right to call me by pet names, sweetie. Denigrating me by using a pet name and criticizing my argument's supposed grammatical flaws do not strengthen your position, they just highlight how thin the substance of your comebacks are.

    That you talk about bias is laughable...since you are the one seeking to abridge the freedom of Muslims to build a mosque on land they control, all in compliance with the laws. My point is "live and let live", so I am happy to late history decide which side of the debate was biased.

    It is perfectly reasonable to wonder at the associations people make, but you have no proof of wrongdoing on ether side, just guilt by association. Linking two weak arguments of wrongdoing together does not transform them into one solid argument for wrongdoing.
     

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