Understanding Depression

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  1. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    Referring to http://www.clinical-depression.co.uk/Understanding_Depression/understanding.htm

    At first glance this article, or rather series, offers unique insight into the nature of this finely debated and heated topic. Many arguments have come to be given regarding if depression truly exists or is a fantasy in the minds of those suffering from it. The better question may well be "is depression" a real phenomena or is it created only by our surroundings?

    I myself find I do sleep much longer than most people, and when I wasn't taking Zoloft I'd sleep almost always in free time, only waking when work was needed. This would seemingly support the assertion that those suffering with depression dream more than those who are well. I can't ever recall feeling rested or relaxed when I would wake up from sleep, this seems to suggest R.E.M. is not occuring just as the article states.

    It begins speaking of ruminations being the beginning of this cycle, and how they carry over into arousal which is never fully released. The idea emotional excitement is a cause of depression later is very different than anything we've seen before. Here it's suggested if you don't have a release mechanism for the underlying feelings they'll come back to interrupt your sleeping, then make you depressed.

    Also stated is that depressive-thinking styles will bring upon more negative emotions, thereby increasing the amount of sleep you do. I myself find this to be accurate, the more depressed I am the longer I'll sleep, or the more I feel I must... even if it doesn't help.

    When looking at the Cycle Of Depression chart we see a truth that's very difficult to ignore, forever linked are depressive thinking & anxiety which cause emotional aggitation / anger which has noplace to be expressed except in dreams. This will however effect your system for quit abit longer than just the moment it happens, this throws your entire system into chaos later-on.

    At this point I still have impaired functioning, I can barely handle this job let alone a higher position (even though I may take one). The question is whether or not depression can ever be cured, and these cycles stopped.

    I find Zoloft helps, but the information presented here seems to explain why. So now all I must ask is whether I can impliment something which will effectively rid me of the depression I might still have, and maybe free me to meet friends, socialize, and work more efficently without weirding people out.
     
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    If you are born like a slave than depression can not be cured, otherwise there is a chance.
     
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  5. paulfr Registered Senior Member

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    Make a list of all the positive things that have happened in your life.
    This will not be easy to do well and you may need a therapist to help.
    Write each item out in as much detail as you can.
    By focussing of the positive that is already there, you help defeat the voice inside that is telling you everything is hopeless, no good, negative and will always be that way. Not true !!

    Next make a list of things you do now or could be doing now that you enjoy.
    Try to think of ways to add to this list and have the courage to do them .... like a walk twice a week in that beautiful park nearby; or a conversation with that sweet secretary who is so much fun to be around.

    Go see the movie Mask with Cher about a boy with a terrible disease.
    Learn to "Make yourself well".

    I was fortunate to have wonderful parents and a happy childhood. But I still got depressed now and then. i discovered the rule that if I got myself out of the house I invariably felt much better and forgot my troubles quickly.

    It is a battle between the optimist and pessimist inside you.
    When and if you decide to help the optimist stay well ahead, you will begin to get better.
     
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  7. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    ITS ALL IN YOUR HEAD.

    THEY WANT YOU SMALL... FEEBLE... WORKING FOR THEM.

    THEY DONT WANT FREE MINDS.... FREE MEN.......


    THEY WANT GOOD SERVENTS....


    JOIN A UNION.

    -mt
     
  8. kmguru Staff Member

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    Hardcore depression could be due to lack of Serotonin and other neurotransmitter as a result of chemical imbalance which could be caused by brain trauma and genetic defect.

    Mild to moderate depression is caused by underlying life style and security issues (Maslow's heirarchy of needs). This can be managed initially through medication and then resolving those issues that aggravate the symptoms. Sometimes meditation can help with proper nutrition regimen that includes foods high in DHA, Omega-3, Choline etc.

    The reason guided meditation can help is that the brain could unnecessarily put high weight to certain data (in a neural net framework) which results in the depletion of the neurotransmitters. By consciously readjusting neural gains for specific stimuli - one can balance the brain computations. That is why sometimes going to a shrink helps...but not always.
     
  9. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    SOMETIMES.... ALOT ACTUALLY... i get depressed..

    so... i take drugs,.... Ginsing... and ginko biloba... works great.

    before i started useing the drugs...


    i used to make myself think happy thoughts... id try to imagine how i felt when i was happy.... in a good mood...

    i remmeber it... and i focus on feeling that way.

    i sing little songs... and do a little dance..

    after about 10 minutes.... my brain has forgotten it was depressed and switched over to happy mode... and i dont have to try anymore.


    if you get sad..... feel sad... and accept it... your brain chemistry will adjust to fit your mental state.... you get more depressed... and it can become permanent.


    so... i have found... in my own testing... that if i make myself feel happy... and act happy....

    my brain... changes its chemistry to fit my belief.

    i.e... i believe i am happy... and after 10 minutes. my brain adjusts... and it switches to happy mode.


    try it..

    sing a song.. do a dance... act as if you are so happy.... for 10 minutes..

    try... and change your mental chemistry.

    it works for me.


    and if that fails... try ginsing.

    -MT
     
  10. kmguru Staff Member

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    Read a book by Jean Carper "Your Miracle Brain"...that may give you some ideas in the nutrition department....like taking Omega-3, eating fish, cooking with peanut and olive oil etc....
     
  11. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    omega 3.. is great.... BUT NOT FOR DEPRESSION...

    i know... i take 30 grams of omega 3 concentrate everyday.
    thats 30 large pills.

    i still feel depressed sometimes... and only ginsing and ginko seem to actually fight it off... for me anyway..

    but then again... so does meth-amphedemine... or coffee.. so.

    -MT
     
  12. kmguru Staff Member

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    How about Chocolate and St. Johns Wort?
     
  13. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    ive never tried.... & chocolate does nothing..
    i try to limit my experimentation... i read the bottles...ginsing... works by adding ginsiniods to brain chemistry... thus increases nueral transmitter activity....

    i find that large does clears the minds, and works like octane booster, bring up my mental performance by some small percentage... but just enough to keep my mind ingaged... and interested.

    without the side effects of other drugs.

    ginsing kicks ass.... AND I WOULD RECOMMEND IT FOR ANYONE WHO FEELS DEPRESSED... OR EVEN JUST OLD.


    -MT
     
  14. darksidZz Valued Senior Member

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    I'll be sad if they ban me

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  15. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    dude... seriously.... if your feeling weak and small and pathetic.

    try some ginsing, and 12 mg of dhea a day...

    and then dare to say you are feeling old tired, and incapable.


    the dhea, becomes testosterone in your body... which boost adrenal gland output, and makes one feel..... strong.. confident... able.

    its amazing stuff....

    Dont allow depression to destroy yourlife... you must dedicate yourself to fighting... and using all at your disposal... like drugs.


    but, as ive noted... dhea... is naturally occuring... and has been tested for over 70 years......... and is avalible over the counter.. anywhere.
    and ginsing... has been used for 2000 years.

    IF YOUR NOT WILLING TO TRY IT..... THEN SUFFER.

    you must try everything... until you win.... and can keep winning.

    -MT
     
  16. kmguru Staff Member

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    The Virginia Tech Gunman was on antidepressants...
     
  17. Mosheh Thezion Registered Senior Member

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    yes... most anti-depressants... are not as effective as coffee for getting a human into a good mood.

    i myself... have suffered from depression... for most of my life...

    and i have learned this much... Depressed people.. dont need depressants, or things that reduce mental activity...

    they need STIMULANTS... I DO ANYWAY.... coffee work good..

    ginsing is better...

    vitamin b's... are fantastic.

    ginko biloba.. kicks ass to fight fatigue.

    DHEA.. can take 20 years off your life...

    Anything with a potential side effect like suicide.. (anti-depressants.) should be avioded at all times....

    -MT

    (MOST OLDER HUMANS... dont want to work.. or even try... thats why america is addicted to coffee....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
     
  18. kmguru Staff Member

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    Has anyone tried Omega-3....the brain supposed to need it the most?
     
  19. francois Schwat? Registered Senior Member

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    I take fish oil every day, along with a multivitamin/multimineral. But 30 grams?! Damn, isn't that toxic?
     
  20. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    30 GRAMS?? 30 x 1,000mg capsules? Isnt there a danger of mercury poisoning? Unless its not fish oil....
     
  21. kmguru Staff Member

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    How is the bowel?

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    How is your mental and emotional well being between using and not using?
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Back on topic I read this interesting article on existential depression in gifted individuals:

    Anyone have these experiences?
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I do. I have very high highs and very low lows and am taking meds to keep me from going up or down to far. I'm very glad these drugs i'm taking are available and wouldn't be here if it weren't for them. I stopped once for just a day and found myself in a really bad way but got back on the meds ASAP.Just don't stop taking the meds or else there's going to be problems that you can't handle without some type of help. People who stop taking their meds can go really off the wall and could kill.
     

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