Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by Liebling, Feb 9, 2012.
So now we are down to just deleting threads we don't like?
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Nevermind. Apparently opposition is considered trash aka cesspool.
It's actually worse than I thought
The only threads that tend to be deleted here are spam threads from new members who are immediately banned.
Threads that have no useful purpose can be removed to the Cesspool.
I'm interested to know why you think that open dialog on a questionable decision doesn't belong in the SF open government section. What is the purpose of this sub forum at all?
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Liebling... thing is, the decision wasn't questionable in the slightest. A member was warned about something posted. Said posted material was removed. In simple defiance and out of sheer disrespect, said member reposted it. Thus, he was given a sterner punishment.
Pretty much a case of 1+1=2 if you ask me...
I guess it would be if someone was ignorant of the history, yes. Clearly, when adding one plus one to equal two, you should know the makeup of each one you are adding. Because people aren't numbers, and the truth is subjective.
People aren't math, people are perceptions. A whole slew of perceptions from all sides. You can't really quantify people, when you start doing so, you become more and more sociopathic and less in touch with humanity. I personally would warn against it.
And JamesR, I was questioning the decision, I did not know you were one of the moderators in question so my thread was not attacking you specifically, but the decision to ban someone who posted the same material as others but was the only one taken to task for it. It was only taken personally because of bias, not because of my saying so.
Extreme pragmatism in political functions is detrimental to the parties involved in the process. You have to temper in history and compassion when making judgement calls and playing hard ball or you end up doing people an injustice. Narcissism is the greatest setback that any politician can encounter in his/her career.
True Black and White are very rare occurrences, indeed. When things are declared to be black and white, it is usually because someone was too arrogant to notice the details around the edges. Often those details continue to erode at the core and all of the ignorant people who declared them pure will either continue to deny the grey, or learn to accept their faults and slowly but surely accept the flaws in their logic and pragmatism. Perhaps that comes with age, perhaps with experience. I used to think there was a benefit to being so sure of myself and so black and white, but now I realize how much of reality got past me and was lost.
I guess what I am saying is that if we are going to be fair and just, we should look at all people with the same objective lens, not use our subjectivity on individuals based on bias and/or pragmatic dogma.
In case you want to see the original thread he was banned for
The reason he was banned:
Someone else posting the same material with impunity:
A well written assessment of the situation:
And the thread that got him banned once again
Thank you adoucette. I appreciate you pointing out areas where I had missed the original posts and issues. I read through them and my initial assessment stands, and it's a very grey muddled puddle since other posters also posted the material and did not get banned/warned. Also I did notice that the moderator in question was berated and insulted in the thread and yet, it had not been cesspooled like my own thread which did not pick on a particular moderator but only picked on the actions which were inconsistent and immaturely pragmatic.
I suppose this will also be cesspooled, since that is what one does these days with apposing viewpoints. Declare them insults and flush them.
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