Ultimate objective reasoning

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  1. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    Ultimate objective reasoning will be found entirely through the senses, throughout the thoughts and feelings of others. They might not see it themselves but their answers will still speak truth if read correctly.

    Ultimate objective proof comes from experimentation on previously impossible ideas.

    At the heart of our soul we would love to believe all thoughts held the air of truth, but we can't because we dislike the ideas of others. We hide from them thinking they will dislike us if they knew something about us. Or we make hate plainly obvious and ruin the chance to learn from one another our dislikes. But not many are ready for the shift to ultimate
    Proof.

    There are so many seemingly impossible things becoming possible we disbelieve some obvious facts on our experimental trip into the mind of some ideamaker.

    The truth is all thoughts are true and possible, society naturally progresses from the roots of previous knowledge until all conditions are satisfied. You are all satisfied with doubt. I can't believe it myself, because I see the will to banish doubt in the words of many others. Yet you will not let me step forth and try to ease your minds. So I will force it without a book on my own time through speech.

    I stand by truth until I am brought proof.

    No inspecific doubt a person has will ever make me doubt myself. But if we bring it all together as a true society would we could learn so much more than you could ever imagine.

    I know this only because my idea of bringing the elements together is not only not really my thought alone, but still my dreams stay blank until my consciousness brings the thought to light.
     
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  3. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    Which are, by definition, interpreted subjectively.
    Which are, by definition, subjective.
    Will speak truth as the person sees it, not as reality actually is.
    "previously impossible"? So they were impossible then but aren't now?
    I can only imagine that such is the case only where technology was incapable of assessing the idea, or where merely the subjective assessment is of "it's impossible!".
    Otherwise, I am not sure how something could be impossible previously, but possible now - other than perhaps time-dependent ideas?
    Soul?
    No, we don't. Some thoughts I have I want to remain untrue.
    We do???
    Not sure I understand?
    Surely the key is that they are only "seemingly impossible" and that we leave ourself open to the idea that perhaps they are not, merely either improbable or "given the current understanding they are unlikely" etc.
    They are??? So I can walk on the moon unaided right now? I can win the lottery tonight, even though I've forgotten to buy a ticket?
    Okay.
    Accepting that doubt exists, sure. I wouldn't say that we are satisfied with doubt.
    [quoteI can't believe it myself, because I see the will to banish doubt in the words of many others. Yet you will not let me step forth and try to ease your minds. So I will force it without a book on my own time through speech. [/quote]Go for it.
    You stand by your belief of truth until you are brought proof to the contrary.
    Or perhaps by "truth" you mean "objective reality" ... if so then this is independent of proof or our understanding.
    Whoop-di-doo?

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    So many great men have given and dedicated their lives to the knowledge we all have the ability to posess. What they lacked was doubt. What they gve was the technology. What we fail to put together are the only things tangible... What the world strives for is knowledge of the intangible, how the idea itself relates to reality. What we should strive for is to piece together a small piece of all tangible elements so that we may use them as a scale for reality. A complete object that hold every potential the universe has for us to touch.

    Then we will see what is true and what is not.
     
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    do have ideas on what this object COULD look like
     
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    but is the reasoning objective?
    Will speak truth as the person sees it, not as reality actually is.
    "previously impossible"? So they were impossible then but aren't now?
    You have regrets as well as doubt...
    It appears that you understand, but the sarcams you take to the lighter side as opposed to your own words seriously. Becoming one with the universe certainly has it's freedoms... I'm only curious these days of what limits we would agree to impose on ourselves....
    Accepting is a more vulgar word than satisfied on this issue... Satisfied means you thrive on it. Accepting means it controls you.
    Your mind will never be satisfied with the current reality and you curse my words because they don't fullfill your invisioned dreams? You are afraid that if imagination is let loose upon reality you will loose your dreams? I have seen the future and lost all my dreams.

    I only live for others dreams. You should all learn the same.

    Can you imagine everything from hydrogen to unobtanium swimming together in a bowl exchanging and gathering enough information on the universe to recombine the most intrinsic properties of reality into what our mathematics and imagination can not describe?

    Or is that the way it is already...

    Are we so blinded by specifics that have we forgotten what is so common to us all?

    All the trivial bouts the intelligent so often ignore speak only of ignorance and procrastination. The future will happen. It is not in my dreams, it is on my conscious. Which might perhaps be the reason I have so few dreams.

    If your subconscious sheds light on your conscious. You are a genius. There is no if's and's or butts about it. I've tried to find a way around these words but apparently only the blunt portrayals invoke a response.

    To any person willing to speak, I will say what your mind will not.
     
  9. NietzscheHimself Banned Banned

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    And your all like.. " I'm not touching that one with a ten foot pole."

    It's so obscure and misleading by a mislead person there is no possible way our immaginations are actually able to create alternative realities for the same concepts. And it is harder still for you to believe our subconscious creates the next paradigm of reality based on today's current "technological" advancements in both great groups and by great individuals. Nevertheless
    the unspeakable knowledge that comes with my purpose.

    Think of me as just being here on earth to let
    You know who the greats are today. That is my job description.
     
  10. shichimenshyo Caught in the machine Registered Senior Member

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    Does the work pay well?
     
  11. Merlijn curious cat Registered Senior Member

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    NietzscheHimself, it would help me if you could refrase most of your thoughts. Or at least define what you mean by the key terms in your system. -I just don't understand what you try to tell.

    Especially when you open a thread and call it "Ultimate objective reasoning" I would expect some formal underpinning.
     
  12. Merlijn curious cat Registered Senior Member

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    NietscheHimself banned - that figures
     
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