UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    I found some provenance for the pic, though it doesn't say how much he manipulated it.
    If I were of-a-mind, I'd ask him direct-like.

    Here's some of the other submissions, which certainly remove any dount that PhotoChopping is allowed.
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  3. Yazata Valued Senior Member

    The touched-up picture is anthropomorphising the insect head, by giving it mammalian-style eyes and teeth, in approximately human positions. Humans are born with innate instincts to recognize and react to human faces.

    Actually insect heads and their mouthparts are even more "monstrous" (in the sense of weird and inhuman) than that.

    I'm not an entomologist, but my impression is that the highly specialized insect heads are evolutionary variations on several anterior segments of an ancestral segmented worm-like thing, all crammed together into one functional unit. In particular those segments' legs at the bottom are now adapted into mouth-parts for chewing and tasting and are clustered around the pharynx.

    But despite how alien insect anatomy is, they are surprisingly similar to humans at the cellular level, built out of very similar eukaryotic cells that use the same dna coding, transcription and gene-expression control systems and even possess some of the same genes that we humans use. (The most fundamental ones like the hox genes.)


    Figuring out how biology develops from cellular genetic code level (genotype) to the level of functional anatomy (phenotype) is still very poorly understood and is the subject of evolutionary developmental biology (evo-devo) perhaps the most active area of evolutionary biology today. The diversity of living forms on Earth today (fungi, plants and all the incredible variety of animals) shows that there are lots of different ways it can happen. (I think of it like an abstract tree expanding into possibilility-space.)


    That's why I expect real space aliens to be far more alien than science fiction depicts them. Their body-forms will not only be the product of an entirely different evolutionary history, but they will also lack the basic kinship to us on the cellular level that all Earthly eukaryotes share. Their underlying genetics and biochemistry might be radically different than ours, with the only similarities being on the lowest physics-chemistry level and at the highest functional level. The levels of mechanism that connect chemistry at one end to produce functional form at the other might be entirely different.

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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    This looks like it's prolly a grasshopper.
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  7. Yazata Valued Senior Member

    Yeah, looks like a grasshopper's "face". I think biology textbooks often use grasshoppers for their examples of insect heads, cuz they are kind of generic with all the typical parts visible and easy to label.
  8. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    OK the "teeth" may be hairs that for some reason are illuminated brightly in the picture.

    The one of the gecko embyro "hand" is rather beautiful.
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Don't know what happened in above post. Here's the 12 minute video again:

  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Author's version of the events surrounding the encounter on Nellis AFB in 1994 of a ufo/uap. At first seeming to be a helicopter, some debris, and then a balloon, the object ultimately defies identification in its flight behavior and visible structure.

    "On a late autumnal afternoon in 1994, at a remote location in the Nevada desert, a small team of personnel are sat inside a trailer observing a series of radar displays. Their routine operations are suddenly broken when their attention is directed to a slow-moving object, behaving in a peculiar manner, which has been detected approaching the trailer site from the South-west. The operator turns his camera, and the object comes into view; an indistinct blob moving slowly in front of the distant mountain range. Drawing on his experience of working on the range for several years, he remarks "It's a helicopter!…That's why it's so slow." "Ah!" exclaims his female assistant, catching sight of the object on the monitor display. She suggests that it might be some debris, drifting in the breeze. But it seems to be moving in a controlled manner, and not just drifting - there is something peculiar about this object. "It's not much more than a round dot, but it looks different to most dots" she remarks.

    Other vehicles in the group are also monitoring events, as well as range control several miles away, known to the team as 'T-1'.

    In the trailer, the camera operator tries to put the camera into an automatic tracking mode, hoping to free his efforts to keep the object in shot. But the camera fails to lock on to the object and it drifts out of view. He regains manual control of the camera. The object slowly approaches and after a short period of contemplation, his assistant asks, "Got any idea what it is?" He replies "I got a helo!"She confirms "You've got a helicopter?" Confused by the inconclusive information on his radar readout, he replies "Yeah…can't get a result on these things…"

    But as the object becomes more discernible on the monitor, he begins to doubt his own judgement: "I don't know what the hell that is…that's a helo, isn't it? What is that?…I don't know!" Seeing that the object is now beginning a rapid climb, she replies "Looks like one…right up high, now…goin' like…straight up!" He centres the object long enough for him to zoom the camera in on it. Seeing its lobed structure, he suggests another possibility: "A balloon, ain't it?…I don't know what the hell that is, man." Offering some slight assurance, she replies "I think it's a helicopter."

    By now the monitor display shows that it is neither a helicopter nor a balloon, but it takes a while for the team to realise this. As the object continues to climb, the assistant remarks "Straight up, boy!" "I'm outta here!" he exclaims. "Oh, okay" she replies. "What the hell is it?" he ponders. He manages to keep the object in shot as it moves across the sun, and it has now come close enough for detail to be seen. As part of a routine procedure, his assistant asks, "Call-sign?" But this object defies anything they have yet come across, and he replies "Er…I don't even know what it is!"

    As his assistant stares at the object on the screen, she declares "It's weird-looking!" Determined to get a look at this object with his own eyes, he passes control of the camera to his assistant, stands up and leaves the trailer. The door creaks as he opens it. As he does so, the object suddenly turns to face the trailer group, and it begins to rotate slowly back and forth, as if it were observing them. He stands at the entrance of the trailer, looking through binoculars, contemplating the most remarkable flying object he has ever seen. His assistant calls out to him "See it?" He is too pre-occupied to respond, so she asks him again."

    * This is the author's interpretation of the events that took place at tracking station 'S-30' on the Nellis Test Range.

    It is largely based on the poor quality soundtrack that accompanies the video footage, so parts of it are speculative and may be incorrect.

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  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Mick West weighs in on Nellis AFB footage:

    "Anyone have ideas on this one? Maybe some kind of strangely shaped targeting balloon moving in extremely unusual wind conditions?

    (Only problem is of course: aren't targeting balloons fairly common around the Nellis Test Range? Why wouldn't tracking station operators with all this equipment, in daytime, recognize one?)

    The movement seems very consistent with a balloon, so that's my immediate #1 hypothesis. Helicopter would be #2.

    The shape is odd, it looks more like a bunch of balloons than a single balloon.

    Nellis air force range is large, but it does not seem implausible that a bunch of ballons might have drifted in from outside."

  12. Yazata Valued Senior Member

    Just from the rather poor photo on the right side of the youtube link, my first impression is that it looks like the old 1960's-1980's vintage Bell X-22 VTOL aircraft.

    1994 is after these were reportedly retired, but it's possible that some remained behind for R&D purposes. Or perhaps a follow-on vehicle might have been constructed that was being tested.

    The Nevada Test and Training Range is where "Area 51" is located after all, along with a variety of other secret and semi-secret bases like the Tonopah Test Range. It's infested with secret aircraft projects, some of them so secret that they have never been acknowledged and officially don't exist. (Sadly, probably no crashed UFO's or dead aliens on ice, though.)

    My belief is that the Nellis Range is currently host to UCAV (unmanned combat air vehicle) development (robot fighter planes) and that these might be responsible for some (probably not all) of the UAP sightings.

    So if anyone wants to see extraordinary things in the sky, the Nellis Range is certainly the most likely place.




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  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Air Traffic Control footage of 1994 Nellis AFB ufo including commentary by air traffic controllers. Its flight characteristics do not match that of a balloon and its visible shape/structure do not match that of a helicopter.

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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    0:28: Control 1 "an aircraft"
    0:38: Op 1 "a helo"
    1:26: Op 1 "a helo?"
    1:36: Fe Op "Looks like one"

    It's a helo. Identified it several times. Even confirmed by an independent observer.

    And they were there, we weren't. We should take what the direct observers say at face-value. After all, they are trained and have no reason to lie.

  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    2:5o--"T1 doesn't know what type of aircraft this is either."

    3:02--"That's weird".

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  16. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Yeah, none of which rule out helos.

    But hey, they were there, and they called it a helo - albeit a strange and weird one.
    As Yazata points out, it could an Osprey - which would be a strange, weird helo indeed.
  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Military drone video of a flying metallic sphere in the Middle East. The object in the video is currently classified as of unknown origin and was presented during a Senate subcommittee hearing on uaps. I take this as compelling evidence of flying metallic spheres often caught on military cameras. The object moves too fast and directionally to be a balloon. It also has no wings or control surfaces nor any thermal exhaust essentially representing a technology that is currently beyond us. What do you think it is?


    "In an incident reported last year, a U.S. military MQ-9 Reaper drone flying a routine mission observed a “metallic orb,” a defense official told Congress Wednesday.

    While popular culture has labeled what’s thought to be alien spacecraft as Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs), the Pentagon recently created the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) which has taken on the role of legitimately tracking encounters with what it terms Unexplained Anomalous Phenomena (UAP).

    “What we have done is reduce the most typically reported UAP characteristics to these fields, mostly around 1 to 4 meters wide,” said Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of AARO, who appeared in front of a subcommittee of the Senate Armed Services Committee, describing how UAPs mostly appear. “Silver. Translucent. Metallic. 10,000 to 30,000 feet [in the air] with apparent velocities from the stationary to mach to no thermal exhausts usually detected.”

    The statement is particularly notable because previously publicized military UAP sightings have come from manned aircraft. This is the first public instance of a military drone spotting a UAP...

    ...Apparently, there had been other similar encounters with the same UAP.

    “UAP characteristic and behavior consistent with other "metallic orb" observations in the region,” said the AARO slide accompanying the video shown at committee."

    --- https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kx...drone-spotted-metallic-orb-ufo-in-middle-east
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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Have you checked if it's a Google logo?
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member


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    A still from footage shot by a United States MQ-9 reaper drone showing what appears to be an unidentified spherical object soaring through the air. (Image credit: U.S. Dept. of Defense)

    The director of the Pentagon's new UFO office shot down hopes that the current buzz over unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP) supports claims of extraterrestrial visitation.

    Sean M. Kirkpatrick, chosen as the first director of the Pentagon's new All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), testified before members of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services on Wednesday (April 19).
    During the open portion, Kirkpatrick definitively stated that, out of the hundreds of UAP cases his office has reviewed, "AARO has found no credible evidence thus far of extraterrestrial activity, off-world technology or objects that defy the known laws of physics." The AARO director acknowledged that this conclusion might be "unsatisfying" to those who believe they have witnessed incontrovertible evidence of physics-defying craft or objects."
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    Director of AARO says there is no credible evidence to support this.
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    You're saying we have the knowledge to create 1 meter to 4 meter flying metallic spheres that can fly at 30,000 ft without wings or control services or exhaust and can hover still in midair and reach speeds of mach 1? Since when?
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  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

    No. Please follow along. I quoted the Director of AARO himself, who says there's no credible evidence that this (or any other) footage shows anything defying known physics.
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

    Metallic spheres such as has been recorded on video are seen do exactly that. They are at a level of technology that we have yet to reach, if ever.

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