UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah that's James R's go to debunk...the planet Venus. Even though the eyewitness describes the lights as moving and then becoming stationary, and also brightly strobing. I've seen the planet Venus many times, but it doesn't ever move or flash like a strobe.
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And that's your rule-out is it?

    MR: "I, personally, never saw X do Y. Therefore it can't happen.".

    Because if "I never saw X do Y" is a valid rule-out then you've singled-handedly debunked all UAP reports anywhere, ever, in one fell stroke. Because you've personally never seen any of these UAPs do anything. Congratulations.

    Or perhaps you want to walk that back, and acknowledge that your personal experiences aren't a good yardstick for analyzing phenomena.

    It doesn't matter how you respond to this; it will be belligerent and useless anyway. I post this for the benefit of readers interested in the process of rational analysis versus religious fervour.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Many years ago a local woman took hand-held video of a UFO in her backyard and sent it to the university, claiming it was a UFO. The astronomy department duly told her that it was the moon. She protested vehemently that she knew the moon when she saw it. The astronomer told her, "Lady, if your camera was pointed where you said it was pointed, the moon WOULD be in your picture."

    So... my rule of thumb is, if it moves and/or strobes, it ain't Venus. If it doesn't move or strobe, it might be Venus - but I'd better make damn sure I KNOW where Venus IS before I decide what is an is not Venus.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    LOL... Such a powerful argument for a moving and strobing Venus. I'm left speechless.

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  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Thank you. I wholeheartedly agree.
     
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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    You're at least as capable as MR at ruling out a mistaken sighting of Venus or some other planet for this particular case.

    Why have neither of you done it, then?
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    In this case, my hunch is the Venus is a prime candidate. There are hints in the report itself that point towards this as a not-unlikely possibility, at least.

    You have utterly failed to even attempt to refute that possibility, so far.

    Put in some effort, please.
    Eyewitnesses, as you and I know, can be notoriously unreliable.

    That's why it's so important to actually put in some effort to try to find some independent confirmation of what they report or, at the very least, to rule out obvious "mundane" explainers.

    This report isn't even especially remarkable in its content. It sure reads like a stock standard mistaken planetary sighting.

    This could be a pertinent lesson for you not to be so gullible in future. However, it will require you to put in some effort. I sincerely doubt you'll be motivated to do that. After all, you never have before. You're not actually interested in investigating any of this stuff.
    Wrong on both counts.
     
  11. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Why would I? Why don't you?
     
  12. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Dont be foolish. All you can say is that it didn't do so during that video.

    You ought to know that twinkling is a conditional phenomenon, depending on air temperatures and height above horizon.

    Either you don't know that, and are thus unqualified to have any opinion on aerial phenomena, or you do know that and are happy to lie about it.

    Either way, it is incontrovertible that you cannot be trusted to speak about aerial phenomena.
     
  15. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    There's no atmospheric conditions that make the planet Venus flash like a strobe. Doesn't happen and never will. You and James are full of BS.
     
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  16. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Ask yourself why you posted at all on this topic, then. Why did you?
    Because the onus is on the claimant to make his case.

    Besides, this is an educational opportunity.
     
  17. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    1. Did the sighting we are discussing involve "zooming in"?
    2. You misunderstand the scientific process. Finding one example of where stars don't twinkle doesn't go very far towards establishing that stars don't twinkle. In fact, twinkling is a well understood phenomenon. You should look it up, including the conditions under which is occurs.

    You still haven't checked the position of Venus in the sky. Why not?
     
  18. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Let's hold that thought then. Once you've checked the position of Venus in the sky, I'll be happy to discuss the apparent strobing, if indeed there was any.
     
  19. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Scattered clouds passing in front of it.
    Not very often, maybe, but certainly possible.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You're the one claiming it's Venus. The onus is on you to prove that.
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    You'd see the clouds and would know it is a star not a flashing ufo.
     
  22. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Who posted it in the UFOs/UAPs thread in the first place?
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I made no claims about it. I simply asked what it was. The onus is on James to show that it is Venus. If not, then claims made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
     
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