UFO's and why they blink out.

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by river, Mar 12, 2016.

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No you haven't. If you had you wouldn't have made that grossly ignorant suggestion that they are all in outer space. Anyone even remotely familiar with the ufo phenomena knows full well they are seen in earth's atmosphere. Except for the occassional NASA footage.

    You are always whining and bitching about trolls like a crybaby. Funny since you are always the first to lose your shit in these threads and start insulting posters about being ignorant and dishonest. I already reported one of your flaming posts. Don't make me do it again. Oh...and posting ufo photos in a thread specifically about ufos is called education, not trolling.

    LOL! Go ahead and "fix my ignorance" then. What earthshattering fact am I still oblivious to that you have been keeping secret all this time?

    Oh and here's a little tip for ya: When you strut around here bragging about your engineer credentials it doesn't make you sound smart at all. It just makes you sound like an insecure and aging douchbag who needs to bolster his ego in forums like these to give his vapid and meaningless little life some much needed purpose. Got it?
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Hang on a sec here, MR. This thread is about lights winking out.

    Lights, for the most part, are very difficult - usually impossible - to judged as to distance. They could certainly be an arbitrary distance away and no one would be the wiser.

    You are attempting to move the discussion to photos of objects. That is a completely different ballgame.

    Start a new thread.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    GUYS. Address the issue, not the issuer.

    There's a gulf between "your argument is flawed" and "you are flawed".
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Nice try. I read the OP and its title. Here it is:
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    I did some very basic calculations on the speeds of UFO'S ;

    For instance ; at

    2000mph = divided by 60 mins = 33.33 miles / min.
    by 60 secs = 0.56 miles/sec.

    5000mph = divided by 60 mins. = 83.33 miles/min.
    by 60 secs. = 1.39 miles/sec

    10,000mph = divided by 60 mins. =166 miles/min.
    by 60 secs. = 2.7 miles/sec.

    50,000mph = divided by 60 mins. = 833.33 miles/min.
    by 60 secs. = 69.45 miles/sec.

    So we can see why they can seem to " blink out " . Because within one second these craft will have gone at least a half a mile.

    Plus I think this refutes this " another dimension theory " as to why they just blink out or just disappear.

    The most puzzling thing about all this ; is that ; nobody has bothered to do these simple calculations before.

    These simple calculations changes one's perspective ."
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    River is talking about "ufos" and "craft". Not once is lights mentioned. Perhaps the thread was highjacked by somebody else?
     
  8. Russ_Watters Not a Trump supporter... Valued Senior Member

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    I've never said any such thing.
    Heh, no. A pretty high fraction are misidentified planets and satellites.
    While trying to figure out if I care, why don't you report your post #97 where you called me a "moron".
    You haven't posted any real content here to be that specific, just more of your generic anti-science ranting. river's first post, though, was specific, showing a lack of understanding of geometry and Newtonian Mechanics. He followed that up with a basic misunderstanding of aerodynamics (even that is generous -- elementary school kids learn about thunder without really learning about aerodynamics).
    Wow, guess I struck a nerve! Maybe you consider the flipside next time you attempt an empty insult to someone's "education"? You should also consider reporting that post of yours. Lemme know what you decide.

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  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, I can see how the interpretation can go either way. You're right, it doesn't actually mention lights.

    But that's kind of my point. MR and Russ are addressing two different kinds of sightings.

    Lights in the night are often unidentified aircraft or satellites.
    On the other hand, photos tell you virtually nothing about objects winking out, since they're, well, photos. They also, often tell you little about distance (no parallax and you have to make assumptions about the size of the object)
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Already done. Pretty sure "douchebag" falls in the category of ad hominem.
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I for one would never take a light in the starry sky as a ufo. They are far more likely satellites or high flying planes. OTOH, a blurry photo is still a photo of an actual object. Eyewitness testimony often includes accounts of them disappearing suddenly.
     
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  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Right..So I'm still the ignorant one who offers real tangible evidence of ufos and their properties and you get to retain this secret fact that would somehow totally "fix my ignorance" should you ever deign to reveal it to me. lol! Don't waste my time anymore here troll.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "Unless the UFO is in orbit! Then it:
    1. Doesn't need propulsion.
    2. Would be too far away to hear it even if it did."
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Right. The talk about what it might be (such as an alien craft) is the fanciful speculation part.

    What is really is, is just an account of a sighting. No more. Could be a reflection, could be aircraft, could be hallucinations. Could be a bona fide craft with advanced propulsion, but the sighting is not enough to conclude that.

    Everything beyond the account itself is speculation.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    If that were the case, then there is no reason at all to posit any such explanation. It's a satellite until there's reason why it can't be.

    If you hear hoofbeats, look for horses before you look for zebras.
    If you see lights in orbit think satellites before you think UFOs.
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..a saucer shaped or cylindrical object seen or photographed in the sky is neither a reflection, nor an aircraft, nor hallucinations. As with everything else, the properties of the perceived object can tell us what it is not, though not necessarily what it is.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Not true.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Take it up with Russ. It's his statement.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    While it may be hard to explain as mundane phemon such as reflections, or even hoaxes, these explanations - however implausible - are still several orders of magnitude more plausible than aliens from another planet/star flying around in craft.

    We know people make faulty observations, take pictures of mundane things that look strange, make hoaxes, etc. There are fact. Alien craft are not.

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
     
  20. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    And despite our newfound ability to get that extraordinary evidence...

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    it simply hasn't panned out.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No need. He is positing horses.
     
  22. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That would only be true if this was the first and only ufo ever sighted. Fortunately everybody knows that they are seen and photographed with such regularity as to become plausible explanations for the sighting.

    We can rule out hoax or mundane object by the properties of the object. Does it float like a balloon? Then it's probably a hoax. Does it hum like an aircraft? Then it's probably an aircraft. Does it otoh speed off quickly and make no noise. Then it's most likely a ufo.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Then don't attribute the statement to me.
     
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