UFO Crash Site

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by Starman, Nov 27, 2004.

  1. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    I lived in Alamogordo New Mexico for over 10 years. I had a ufo sighting near White Sands Missile Range in 1995. This picture is the crashed disk that I found using satellite photography from the USGS satellite. It is located on the White Sands Missile Range and they built an underground facility next to it. Also they have a tunnel that goes threw the mountain to the NASA Johnson Space Center on the other side of the mountain. This is located at the spot I had my sighting. Also I have verified that strange things are there by people I have talked to that worked at the sight. It is just off of HWY 70 just east of Las Cruces New Mexico. I have a theory that this is one of the Disks that our government found and they are trying to back engineer it. If you look at the spot where the scrape is you can see the partial disk where it hit the ground and scraped up some dirt. It is in black and white so it is hard to see. You have to know what you are looking for. Also that area is marked with all kinds of signs warning trespassers. This is real. I have a theory that this is one of the two disks that crashed in 1947 during the Roswell incident. They stated that two disks collided and one was found as debris and the other one was recovered mostly intact. The Military said that the other disk was recovered just north east of Roswell well if you are the Military and you want to hide something you send them in the opposite direction. This location is located South West of Roswell and the land that it is on was taken from a rancher in 1947 and made into what is now known as the experimental test group located just North of White Sands Missile Range. I think that they forgot to block this imagery from the public. They have blurred out some of the picture but you can still tell what it is. If you need the exact longitude and latitude I can get it for you. Also The disk shaped object in this picture is on the back side of a little mountain. The path that the government built up the front side of the hill to access the site is very clear. Also notice the rock wall they built that surrounds the crash site.
    Longitude -106.51714
    Lattitude 32.4689830
    Let me know what you think.
     
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  3. blackholesun Registered Senior Member

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    Also they have a tunnel that goes threw the mountain to the NASA Johnson Space Center on the other side of the mountain.

    LOL what a crackpot...those two locations are a state and half away from each other. Do you know how big Texas is?

    I love that fact that he doesn't post a pic of his "evidence" here either.
     
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  5. Ophiolite Valued Senior Member

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    Without even a teensy-weensy bit of evidence what you have presented has to be considered pure nonsense.
    Also, poor syntax and incorrect spelling do not help your case. If this post is important to you, why would you be so sloppy about presenting it? If you can't take the time to get it right, why should we take the time to consider it?
     
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  7. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    Since we seem to be on the subject of weird theorums without any evidence I thought I would introduce one to you that I created. Marvel, Laugh or Ignore it, I care not, however when I first came up with the theory, some rather bizarre things occured in my life that I've gone over on more than one occasion.

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    The above image is very simplistic in detail, however it will require a little explaining.
    As mentioned there is a timeline, which a point symbolised by a red Square is the "Roswell Incident", further along the timeline is the Seti "WOW" signal... I mention this signal because an important occurance in my life occured around that point in time (so important that if something went wrong I wouldn't have existed).

    The Dashed Triangle signifies a "Paradoxal shift" or "Quantum Event". I can't assign an exact date within a timeline here, however it could be suggested that the realisation of how causality works and my relationship to the future from current events from Relativity allowed me to conceive that with the right choices made at the right times I could have been busy working on a clandestine project that involved generating one of the largest Paradoxes/Quantum Jumps in history. However the nature of such paradoxal work would suggestibly cause alot of backstabbing and disgruntledness amongst countries that would have seen their secrecy acts quashed because of such experimentation led to the paradox of me only embarking on the paradoxes creation "As a singularity".

    That point in time was important because as time goes on the universe has paradoxes occur where my paths deviate (in the diagram I show one, however in the real universe it could be many universes)

    In the future at the hexagon, in one universe I complete the paradox project to be sent back to Roswell 1947, however in the universe I'm currently in I don't do that. Sparing me the life of torment from Researchers, Corporates, PR and of course Governments that want
    the use of such technology (And I actually get to laugh at the accomplishment).

    (The aspect of this multitude of universal deviations is what I suggest would have created the WOW signal which would probably resinate from the point in Universal Coords that the paradox project would eventually embark upon it's epic journey. Since I would have to exist
    for these paradoxes to occur, and the fact that 1947 is before my lifetime [Namely a Grandfather Paradox] it would suggest that the universe would have had a universal distortion from that location.

    Also due to the multiverse concept, more than one project could have attempted to go back to the same timepoint which would have been before any deviation, Ergo the collision of the same but yet different craft.)

    Now admittedly I'm not expecting you to believe, in fact I'm not even going to bother trying to prove, but it had me in stitches(laughing) just realising the possibilities if such a concept did indeed occur.

    For instance "Mind over Matter", or the fact that a "future" project that would eventually exist by definition of Causality, it could in fact come into being "before your existance on this planet".

    So you get to enjoy the fruits of you labour before you labour.

    I would go into more details, however there is no real need since it matters not if it's right or wrong, it's just a theorum.
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  8. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    The http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinoff1997/ar5.html Lyndon B. Johnson space center is on the other side of the mountain it is a Satalite tracking station. Maby you are thinking of the Johnson Space center that is in Huston Texas. Also I did upload a PIC however it dose not seem to appear I will try to upload again.
     
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  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    There may be something with the name "Johnson" on the other side of your mountain, but the Johnson Space Center is in Texas, as blackholesun said. The Kennedy Space Center is in Florida.
     
  10. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    Sorry about the spelling. Click on the link to se the Photo. I will try to improve.
     
  11. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    They've done a pretty good job of blocking it from me. It would take a lot of imagination to see a "disk-shaped object" in that picture. And why do you think they would take the troble to blur out the buildings (I presume) and then forget to blur out the "UFO"? Maybe because they didn't see it either?
     
  12. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    Just click on the link at the end of the text to see the pic.
     
  13. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    That may be. What's the source of your information that verifies/supports this contention?

    Anecdotal "verification" is hardly verification. It only confirms that others believe they saw something.

    That's not a scrape, it's a region of higher reflectivity due to the angle of the ground toward the sun. Just to the left of the higher contrasted area is a distint shadow, followed by another light area (a hill rising up to meet the sun again) and another shadow. Together, these shadows create a "disk shape" because the hills are tapered on the left/right edges fo the sun's illumination. The area isn't "blurred out," it's simply not showing higher detail because of the contrast limitations.

    If you check the source of the image, I'll bet you find that it was taken either early or late in the day.

    Besides, cammo net technology is contemporary (at least!) to satelite imagery. Not only would they have erected them to hide the alleged disk, but they would have wanted shade to work in!
     
  14. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Are you talking about region 1, 2, or 3 in the pic below?

    <img src="/attachment.php?attachmentid=3565&stc=1>
     
  15. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    In region one I referred to the scrape area as I thought others would see it. It would appear that some camo is being used here and this accounts for the blurring in the image. I do not believe that it was a result of editing the image. The photo is not conclusive and warrants further investigation. I have some pictures of the signs at the gate to the site and pictures from the highway. I tried to charter a plane to fly over the site however it is restricted airspace. I am currently trying to acquire better imagery of the site.
     
  16. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    I'd suggest going to a good photo analyst prior to chartering a plane... they're cheaper.

    The dark areas (two) are the results of shadows from the hills. The right-most shadow is in the saddle of the two hills, the hill on the right being the largest and probably the tallest. In sat photos like this, the blurry areas are often the result of resolution limitations. The differences in data available to the optics wasn't significant enough in contrast. This occurs in regions that receive significant illumination or shadow: less detail will be evident in each.

    For the image above, region one is indicative of this effect. The "blurry" area isn't the result of edit or "cammo nets," but rather a brighter spot than the surrounding terrain.

    What's the lat/long of the site?
     
  17. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    Longitude -106.51714
    Lattitude 32.4689830

    Also area 2 is a dirt road going up the front face of the hill and area 3 is a very large antena that they have at the site and it is visiable from hwy 70 at night when you drive by the site there are alot of lights at the site indicating alot of activity at the site. If you look at the upper corner of the object in figure one you will see a blured circle looking thing I believe it is a helicopter flying over the site.
     
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  18. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    As of March 30, 2003, this is what's at that lat/long:

    <img src="/attachment.php?attachmentid=3566&stc=1">

    Larger resolution and off-center of the lat/long you gave (in a SW direction).

    <img src="/attachment.php?attachmentid=3567&stc=1">
     
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  19. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    This is the area as terraserver shows it.
    http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3568&stc=1
    Look at this closer photo it is as good as I can get it so far.
    http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3569&stc=1
     
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  20. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    The actual lat/long you want is: Lat 32.46500 Long -106.50100

    Here are two 1998 sat photos:

    <img src="/attachment.php?attachmentid=3570&stc=1">

    <img src="/attachment.php?attachmentid=3571&stc=1">

    Its a hill-saddle-HILL arrangement like I said.... Now go to bed.

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  21. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    SkinWalker your photo is worse than my immage. The object has right angle structure and due to the many paths and roads cut in around it proves that it has some value to the military. I am looking for imagery form another Satalite. The immage from 1998 is from the USGS.
     
  22. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Ha! Hills are always of value to the military

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    All kidding aside, you're really digging deep to see anything but a hill here. The two creeks above and below it and the erosional patterns on the SE side are consistent with the contours of the region.

    I traped about much of White Sands and will attest to the fact there are many such hills with roads on and around them. White Sands uses much of the reserve for training of US Army ground troops as well as firing missiles of all sorts.

    But you're right, the image is from USGS aerial photo, not satellite. If you click on this link, you'll see another link for "Topo Map 1 Jul 1994" where you'll even see the contour of the hill itself!

    Its a hill.
     
  23. Starman Starman Registered Senior Member

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    I lived in the area for over 10 years this area is very arid and only recives three inches of rainfall per year. The object is crashed into the backside of a small mountain the roads you see above it are the crest of the top of the mauntain where no water would run. The area that looks like a scrape is the natural landscape that has been disturbed in a North South direction all the watershed at this site runs in a west to east direction. This is not a natural formation. Eye whitness from the Roswell incendent have stated that the disk was crashed into the back side of a mountain or hill and there were several dirt roads cut into the area surrounding it bingo. Also I think that it is very strange that the signs at the entrance to the site warn of danger from strong electromagnetic pulse now what is up with that?
     

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