Trump want to ban the trans from the military

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ElectricFetus, Jul 27, 2017.

  1. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member


    I honestly did not think he would be stupid enough, but obviously the pig boar knows no bounds of stupidity. With all that is on him right now rallying the conservatives makes some sense, but of course this will rally the left, and worse it makes no sense. At the cost of stripping rights they claim it will save the military money on medical cost, when it saves very little (Viagra cost the military more!)

    The right have long lambasted the idea of transsexuals in the military because it opens the door for men who could not make the male fitness standards to suddenly proclaim they are female and get in on the female fitness standards, that and pervert in female showers and bathrooms, and lions and tigers, oh my. When trans get in on "girly" standards I will laugh, oh wait that is already happening, well I laughed.

    Anyways anyone that loves the cult-classic war movie "Starship Troopers" will understand my answer to all this: One fitness (and mental aptitude) standard per career type and department in the military. No division by sex or gender. As for showers and bathrooms, that what stalls are for.
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  3. billvon Valued Senior Member

    And it turns out he even lied about this.

    Tweet: "After consultation with my Generals and military experts, please be advised that the United States Government will not accept or allow Transgender individuals to serve in any capacity in the U.S. Military. Our military must be focused on decisive and overwhelming victory and cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs and disruption that transgender in the military would entail."

    Did he "consult" with his generals?
    US Joint Chiefs blindsided by Trump's transgender ban

    By Barbara Starr, Zachary Cohen and Jim Sciutto, CNN

    Updated 11:21 AM ET, Thu July 27, 2017

    Washington (CNN) - The Joint Chiefs of Staff, including chairman General Joseph Dunford, were not aware President Donald Trump planned to tweet a ban on transgender service members, three US defense officials told CNN -- the latest indication that top military leaders across all four service branches were blindsided by the President's announcement.

    . . . .

    But while Trump's tweet states that he consulted with his generals and military experts ahead of making the announcement, US defense officials have indicated that many of the top brass were caught off guard by the policy change.

    One of the heads of the military branches was informed by a staffer of the President's tweets on transgender policy and had no idea it was coming, the official said.

    Adding to the confusion is that Trump's decision came without a plan in place to implement it.

    Which also shows Trump's level of respect for the military.
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    If I read that right
    Trump is talking about continuing an existing ban that was scheduled to end in a year via an Obama executive order.

    If men, women, and those in between, gays, lesbians, transgenders or trans dressers wish to serve their country as potential cannon fodder, I cannot think of any good reason to stop them.
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  7. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

    I think this is an effort by Trump to shore up his base. Trump's recent attacks on Sessions have caused rifts to form within his base and in Congress. This transgender business is a soothing salve to mend the wounds on the Republican Party inflicted by Trump with his recent attacks on Sessions. That's all it is.
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  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Nope. Transgender people are currently serving in the military. From the US Military website: "Effective immediately, transgender Service members may serve openly, and they can no longer be discharged or otherwise separated from the military solely for being transgender individuals." ( Per Snopes, as of yesterday about 250 people have asked their gender to be changed in military paperwork. And per AP, there are between between 1,320 and 6,630 trans soldiers out of 1.3 million active-duty troops.
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    That would require reliance on brand new sources of information, about anything relevant to the Clinton, W, or Obama administrations. Brand new sources of information, kick the old liars into the weeds?
    Does Trump have anyone with actual military experience - not even expertise, just experience - among his close advisors? Not counting Russians.
  10. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Sure, I can think of three . . .
    Never mind, then.
  11. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    What trump lied, oh wow that never happened before! and did you know sometimes water falls from the sky, crazy right?

  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

    The interesting question is whether the US military command is allowed to ignore Trump's tweets.

    He is commander in chief, and his tweets are official communications - according to White House officials. We have an interesting test of civilian control of the military coming up.
  13. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

    Imagine if trump tweets at 3 am, "Nuke France! Generals approved!" what would the pentagon do?
  14. Randwolf Ignorance killed the cat Valued Senior Member

    He's trying to kill two birds with one stone. I imagine the orange one is preening - "Oh, how very smart I am!"

    Inside Trump’s snap decision to ban transgender troops

    A congressional fight over sex reassignment surgery threatened funding for his border wall.

    After a week sparring with his attorney general and steaming over the Russia investigation consuming his agenda, President Donald Trump was closing in on an important win.

    House Republicans were planning to pass a spending bill stacked with his campaign promises, including money to build his border wall with Mexico.

    But an internal House Republican fight over transgender troops was threatening to blow up the bill. And House GOP insiders feared they might not have the votes to pass the legislation because defense hawks wanted a ban on Pentagon-funded sex reassignment operations — something GOP leaders wouldn’t give them.

    They turned to Trump, who didn’t hesitate. In the flash of a tweet, he announced that transgender troops would be banned altogether.​
  15. mathman Valued Senior Member

    News item: Pentagon will not do anything about transgender until it receives a formal directive through channels. Tweets don't count.
  16. gmilam Valued Senior Member

    How can that be? I thought Mexico was paying for the wall.

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  17. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

  18. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member


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