Trump Muller investigation

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Beaconator, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Well. That was B.T. (Before Trump).
     
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  3. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Has Trump not vetoed anything yet?
    WOW
    So, this could be his first?
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not primarily the deals. The dealing.
    Yep. So?
    Are you always a fan of having press cameras in the room, when serious public business is to be conducted?
    Not if one is attempting an honest analysis of the situation.
    It's quite obvious what they want to hide - same as in any hostile negotiation with a bad guy. Same as Mueller wants to hide when he's negotiating plea bargains. Nobody can make a deal with Trump on camera, because on camera there's no way to bring reality to the table, to save face or allow him to save face, etc - on camera with Trump, it's capitulate to bullshit or nothing.

    Pelosi is nobody's idea of solid progressive virtue, Schumer is a corrupt and compromising obstacle to good government - but we all know how we ended up with them where they are.
    Meanwhile: piddling around with Schumer's various issues when confronted with the Republican disaster is kind of missing the point, no? Sure, in ordinary times you want good sand for whatever - when trying to sandbag for a flood, you use the sand you have.
    Wow? Something unusual happening?
    W's first veto was well into his second term. Clinton's was in his third year. Obama had two, total, his first term - both of them pocket vetoes iirc.

    What would you expect this Congress to produce that they thought Trump would veto?
    Or for that matter, what would you expect a Republican Congress like this to produce at all? Aside from tax cuts for the rich and deregulation for their corporations, they have no governing agenda. Trump isn't going to veto tax cuts for rich people or deregulating corporations - and his only agenda of governance is what the people who analyze demagogues sometimes term "performative cruelty". He doesn't need Congress for that
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    A) yes I would like complete transparency in my government.

    B) agree, both suck
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That wasn't the question. The question was whether you wanted press cameras involved in all discussions of serious public business.
    And that is a trivial matter, at the moment. Forty years ago Shumer's corruption might have been a big deal (Pelosi seems more or less in operating range), but now? The problem is the Republican Congress and Administration. The only issue with Shumer in that context is that he makes a weak and unreliable opposition leader in the face of serious hazard.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    really? I did, several times. Not because he could not do that, but because he did that.
    One thing Trump could do and did is order the troops to dump all the available water at the border, specifically made available to prevent people from dying from dehydration.
    As a consequence a 9 year old died from dehydration.

    You just can't do that!

    These people were not invading the US. No one was storming the ramparts.
    They were trying to enter legally and while still on Mexican soil we killed a little girl. That's murder while we were invading Mexico.
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Meanwhile, some stuff Mueller knows about that we don't know about - yet: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/01/23/a-connection-between-the-moscow-tower-and-the-trump-tower-meeting/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: washingtonmonthly/rss (Political Animal at Washington Monthly)
     
  11. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    I think I'm going to go to the Mercedes Benz stadium and protest by pouring out all the water.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Deutsche Bank seems to be rolling over - or at least leaking: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/02/business/trump-deutsche-bank.html
    https://www.thelocal.de/20190125/trump-under-investigation-for-deutsche-bank-ties

    Proposed motives remain mysterious to the willfully naive (Trump owes them a lot of money, which they would probably have to write off if he goes down):
    the more cynical and informed note that the Russian money laundering operation they have been relying on for the bulk of their profits is now vulnerable, unless they cut loose from Trump's ass and its firmly gripping bulldog accessory Muller.
     
  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University#Settlement
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University#Public_release_of_court_documents
    "hand picked by pointing to a persons name on a list..."
    is that a lie ?

    did warren legally lie ?

    meanwhile they are all spending poor working class income on their big fat lunches and 5 star hotel rooms.
    what a mockery
     
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