That's a very interesting post, thank you. I'm pleased that everyone now knows what Jains are. The reference to 'insects' was taken from one of the posts made here. You can review it above if you like. I was thinking about removing the 'trivial', so that I could include the 7 sins, but I started the thread that way so I think I'll leave it. I suppose I viewed the elements as 'trivial' when viewed by an impartial observer. I'm sure these things are very serious to the adherents. I'll update the list for the robes and chewing for the buddhists.