Huh. I tend to find it rather bleak, myself (not what I look for in mythology) but to each his own I suppose. Morality doesn't exist independently of subjective opinion, so that's pretty much a non-statement. According to your standards, it might be unethical; according to a Christian believer's, it's the only ethical way of faith. Neither of you can claim that your belief is the more intrinsically right or wrong. I personally don't think you can make that simple a division and general statement about "Grace"-believing Protestants. In my experience, at least, many of them aren't self-serving but do quite genuinely believe in their system. Of course, many others are hypocrites, but then that's true of all teachings that have any kind of ethical content -- Protestant or Catholic, Christian or pagan, theist or atheist. Some will be serious about adhering to it, some won't give a damn, and most will usually be lukewarm. That's a personal statement of belief that I won't argue either for or against as such. I do contend that as the ideas are outlined in the Bible, the "Grace, Not Works" schools of theology are closer to the "truth" than any who argue otherwise. Then again, some go too far the other way; they suppose every good act by any human ever is the Indwelling Spirit at work (which the Bible also doesn't support). Why'd you think I am? You don't have to believe in the whole mythology to find it interesting and worthy of study. And Koine Greek is a way easier course than any physics past the introductory level.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Oh? I thought he was criticizing the Christian (and more specifically, Pauline) theology of God's selection criteria for Heaven and Hell, respectively. Whether non-Christians can act morally is not a matter Christian theologians are unanimously agreed on. (Then again, what is?) According to the Bible's teaching, as far as I'm familiar with it, the answer would appear to be yes (see eg Romans 2); God has apparently endowed everyone with a conscience to do good, or at least be aware of their own "Total Depravity". It's just that for salvation purposes, their evil cancels out the good ... which is why Christ is needed to redeem them.