To have peace within the world....

"what you would define as peace within yourself"
I think that to have inner peace is to really understand emotions, desires, and passions. To understand why we feel emotions in certain situations, and to not let those emotional reactions take control of our minds. I think its ok to let emotions control actions, to certain extents, so long as you take into account the consequences of your actions, and KNOW the effects they will have on your self and others. I think it is an error to fill your self with love and neglect hate and anger, this, I think will lead to great emotional imbalance. To really feel and understand emotions and not let them control you I think would lead to peace within yourself.

".. the world would have to be devoid of life.
And even then, volcanoes would still wage war with the earth's form, tectonic plates would joust and water and wind would beat on stones... but at least no nervous systems would be alarmed I suppose."

I think I disagree with this... To have peace in the world does not mean that nothing bad ever happens. Take a perfectly healthy human as an example. lets say they are taking a nap on a sunny day. Completely calm and at peace with the world. Yet, at the cellular lever, their immune system is busy waging war on all the harmful bacteria and viruses flowing through the blood stream, devouring and destroying left and right. If this were not happening this person would not be very happy. So what's violent at one level perpetuates peace and serenity at another. But, as to what a peaceful world would be like...

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I have no idea.

 

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Wrong.
It's this kind of defensive thinking that gets us Luddites and the 'Religious Right'. By your 'logic' (sic), treating cancerous tumours is 'denying our nature'; taking vitamins, monitoring insulin levels, in fact, any application of medicine would also be to 'deny our nature'. Oh, wait a minute. So is flying, driving, and all other artificial modes of transportation. Need I continue? Our 'nature' is not a static thing, not something innate. If anything, our nature is to explore, to grow. I will grant you (although it is by no means established) that for the most part, humans tend to be antagonistically selfish (non-peaceful, evil, call it what you will), but this doesn't mean that this behaviour is our 'natural state'. Nor does it mean that this isn't something that can be overcome. Both peace and conflict are simply human creations. We are free to choose our path, be it the path of Ghandi, or the path of Hitler.

 

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what i do to explore this question 'to have peace in the world' is to actually LOOK at world NOW. for allangles, or as many as i can look at....not be specialist, but generalist. looking at mythology, religion, science, politics, media, education, ...its laws, etc etc

what i am seeing is real violence being down to people on average. that if they DO show any emotions, then these are sonsidered wrong, and in many cases 'mentally ill'

for example. many people do crap jobs, and have to lead pressurized lives. their kids need this and that to keep up with other kids. might be getting bullied as might parent. debts, sexual problems...a whole heap of stress. so theer only alternative is to go to the doc, and he will usually give them meds--implying they are 'suffering from depression..or manic-depression, etcetc. in other words theeir confession of difficult emotions in dealing with real stress is termed by our paradigm as being 'mentally ill'. you have other degrees of distrss, and that too is deemed mentally ill. and that is violence. to tell people they are biochemical machines and they need to feel a 'right and normal way' EVEn when they AREN'T...and if not have to take drugs is violence

so then you look at their war on drugs. of course they mean 'SOME' drugs right, cause as we see they have no qualms about shoving the other emotion-manipulative drugs on us, including children who are seen to not fit in at school--in their millions!

if people AREnT happy and all the meaning has been taken out of their lives, how can therer be any peace?

the world has been taken over by this frantic machine-mind that's lost its soul a londg while back. THe only way to regain soul is to allow REAL feelings. real feelings tell us something isn't right. a battered wife has to really get in touch with her feelings to leave the fker whose beating her up every other minute. so likewise. WE have to understadn THe opressor behind all the conflict misery and inequality in the world

if you don't and you choose to be deying it, or apthetic, then the peace you got is pesudopeace

 

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I agree that feelings are important, and that suppressed emotions can do a great harm. But that is not the real cause of the nonexisting world peace, is it? There were wars thousands of years into the past, apparently, even the early humans, still living in caves, killed other tribes/clans/families, and I doubt that this was caused by drugs.

So, perhaps suppressing emotions might actually work (I am thinking of a Brave New World scenario here), but coming back to the point of peace:

Somehow the idea of peace within oneself=world peace goes too far into apathy for me.
Thinking about it a bit makes me think that we need the want for peace. Or willpower or whatever. I assume that a society that lives in "enternal" peace would be considered perfect, right? But that would not be possible, humans are too flawed for that (if you do not agree, well, disprove me...). But we do have intellect and understanding, don't we? It seems we are just lacking goodwill. Struggles occur for the most stupid reasons, be that greed, an outburst of emotion because someone had a bad day, or just fear. On a small scale, those impulses lead to small everyday struggles, on a global scale, those things result in war.
But I do think that we could handle these impulses with willpower, that should be possible for everyone. Additionally, if everyone would think in a bigger, global picture instead of resting in his own think-tank, and if people would start to take responsibility for their actions, peace can be archieved.

They could still keep their emotions, and no drugs involved. The big question: "How can that be done?" is all that stands in my way. I would say that a better education (worldwide) and a more trusting and peace wanting society would help a great deal. Why, we already went to the moon, but we are unalbe to establish control over our own minds and equally unable to harness our animalistic impulses... if that is so, well, than we should perhaps go back to living in caves.

Last sentence: Not peace withing yourself, but control over yourself is the key to world peace.

 

Good point, Dreamwalker. What I seem to be seeing here is the struggle between the mind (reason) and the heart (emotion) to control our actions, and we generally agree that there should be a balance between the two so that we are 'in control' and yet respond appropriately in certain situations. Just to clear things up a little. I think the cruicial aspect is of course the balance, so that our impulses are restrained while allowing us to still be 'human.' If we go overboard with the rational side, people would lose touch and not be able to sympathise with each other, and may even make up twisted justifications for their actions (i robot, anyone?). Once this balance has been reached, I believe the next step is the ultimate goal of altruism. That is not to say the complete abandonment of self-interest, but simply to put others first where it causes no harm to oneself. Do you think this can be achieved?

p.s. I hope you guys will pardon my first post, seeing that it was not well received...

 

Ahh, sorry I just saw the thread 'can you care about anything other than you.' Guess I'm going off topic here

 

NO! controlling yourself Is the problem. that means you become an authoritarian over yourself. that is what is happening all over the world. people suppressed their natrualness, and this projects to wanting to control others, other species, Nature itself. a wanting to CONQUER Nature!...in patriarchal mythology is is symbolized as the 'hero' attacking and killing the 'Dragon'. Dragon symbolizes Nature

 

First, your answer is pretty hard to read, you know, if you would put your answers outside the quoted text, that would make it much easier.

I see, looks like I should not post in the middle of the night, makes my mind unreliable at times, should be apathy not apartheid. Sorry for the mistake, I have corrected it now.

You speak of war, I speak of struggle. I did not say that tribes went out and systematically eradicated other tribes, I just say that there was conflict. It can also be witnessed in contemporary native tribes that do not have contact with civilitation.

Sorry, but I do not know where you live, in the countries in which I stayed, children only get medication when they were ill, like having the flu, etc. Furthermore, it would be pretty hard to get a doctor prescribing those drugs you mention for a kid, for that to happen, the kid must be in some way disabled to justify the use of such medication.


Ok, since I do not want to quote and answer all this...

Obviously you did not read what I wrote correctly, you say that control over oneself is a bad thing, I say, it keeps us from being a simple animal. What do you want? If you control your hate/rage, that is something bad? Damn, I thought it would keep people from fighting. You think the government controls us, our very minds? I say that is bullshit, it can only influence you if you have a weak will and no control over you own mind, otherwise it would not be possible to be controlled by something as simple as media.

So, what is wrong about reawson and intellect? Obviously they are not unnatural, otherwise we would not have it. Also, I never said that we should act unnatural, I see control over our ourselves as quite natural, and this control does not lead to depression, rather it leads to freedom. You would not be controlled by your primal impulses, you would have power over them so you could let them out when it seems appropriate or keep them contained if it would cause harm. Nowhere did I say anything about conquering nature, I just speak about possesing what is rightfully ours, our minds.

So, would you like t oconsume drugs to feel happy? That's the way it sounds... great, so you speak against the "evil" drugs allowed by the government that supress emotion, but you want to consume "good" drugs that alter your minds and make you feel all kinds of emotion? Great thing, go out an get some crack, and then tell me how long it takes you to make you feel really depressive...

A last point I want to discuss. You display the government as some evil elitist body, but they are just people like you and me. In fact, it is not that hard to get into a governmental position. I strongly doubt that they want to control people, also, I would not say that they exert mind-control via media. Corporations only try to make money with the media, if it does anything to us, then it does make us buy useless things we do not need.

 

Deep shit man. :m:
It must come to us straight from the interstellar highways of consciousness.

Now, explain how this is possible, without leading to a vegetable like, Buddhist monk human being.
Then, maybe, you can get into how internal peace is possible without human castration and the diminishment of creativity.
And finally you could explain to us earth-based creatures, why peace is even desirable.

It looks like the space-cowboy has tired of being picked on and all those internal conflicts that control him.
He’s also tired of being afraid, when looking at a world that reminds him daily of what he is and what his fellow human beings are.

Unfortunately utopia has a price.
Ask Adam and Eve, they were bored senseless.

I love it when these catch phrases are used and abused, by half-wits that never consider the implications.
‘Give peace a chance’
‘Love is God’
‘Why can’t we just get along?’
‘Hate-Bad, Love-Good’

Virtue is usually suckled, like candy, by morons who display characteristics in opposition to what they proclaim to be their belief.
Not surprising then to find the most willing war mongers in Churches and Temples and the most brutal minds amongst the meek and feeble.

 

you seem very naive. Don't be misled by the spin. power is not power on a whim. they KJNOW what they are doing and are extremely devious. they intend to KEEP thie rpower and i assure you hire all forms of expertize so as to do that.
Read about Edward Bernays and let me know what you think. if it changes your views a bit

 

You think my naive, I think you are a nutcase...

In my opinion, if a person can be influenced by the media to such a degree, than that person must be pretty retarded. Anyway, such nice little conspiratory theories are also distributed by the media.

Sure, I know some people that have been diagnosed with ADHD, they did not get medication, their (supposed) deficit was just accepted. I personally never met someone who gave drugs/medications to their kids...perhaps such behaviour is an American thing...

Still the same in my eyes.

As a general addition, I mentioned that a balance should be kept between controlling feelings and letting them out.

 

so therefore in order to make peace within ourselves we must also put in a real effort to end these things, its a two way thing, no total peace can exist without being at peace with yourself and others

 

obviously ...everything needs balance. thing is though ...not many people are familiar with 'letting them out' to the extent i mean

 

Well, that's where the education part comes in...

And no, I am not living in another universe, just in another country, Germany to be exact.

 

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