Tired light

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by kaneda, Nov 5, 2007.

  1. naszvadi Registered Member

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    Maybe in your modell it is true.
    but only if you imagine a standing photon, when it burns from any fenomenon, and afterthen it should be speed up to lightspeed

    instead imagine, that the photon births in lightspeed, i.e. you should not speed up it

    no rest-photon

    What is the light?
    The light is that, what moves with lightspeed!
     
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  3. Reiku Banned Banned

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    The Gluon moves at lightspeed, but it doesn't make it a photon.

    I can tell you are foreign, and most probably young, so i shall have infinite patience with you.
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    There is no imagination required, just a basic understanding of EM radiation. Pardon me, but you are displaying very strongly that you either didn't pay much attention in school or didn't go very far with your studies.
     
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  7. naszvadi Registered Member

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    I have not stated only if.

    Thanks!
     
  8. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Well, ''only if,'' won't work, because your model would collapse all of known physics.
     
  9. naszvadi Registered Member

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    You are right, a different modell should be different.
     
  10. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Which Country are you posting from?
     
  11. naszvadi Registered Member

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    See in my profile, please!
    This does not belong to the theme, Ithink.
     
  12. Reiku Banned Banned

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    O'k... i will.
     
  13. Reiku Banned Banned

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    What have you studied in this area...?
     
  14. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    Reiku. To me, time is change. Since a photon can change in a number of ways, it can experience time.
     
  15. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    naszvadi. I don't think the light in this case bends otherwise we would have very blurred images.

    Photons don't have mass but they can exert an impact, losing some energy in the process. It is recognised that anything with mass cannot reach light speed.
     
  16. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    naszvadi. This thinking of photons as particles confuses people. If you think of a photon as a wave, then you know waves do not have mass. A wave can hit a sea wall and bounce off with a loss of energy which is transferred to the wall as a physical force. If a sea wave heads into a shallow area, it becomes more powerful as it is squeezed. Photons are similar in that the smaller they are, the more energetic they are.
     
  17. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    No photons have momentum but no mass.
     
  18. Reiku Banned Banned

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    As i've explained though, time is relative. Just because we (who do experience time) see a photon undergo changes doesn't take away the fact that for the photon it doesn't experience an iota of time, because its atomic clock does not tick.
     
  19. kaneda Actual Cynic Registered Senior Member

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    Reiku. How do you define "time" in this sense?
     
  20. Reiku Banned Banned

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    Time is an illusion, I suppose. It is only those that move and experience events below ''c'' that seem to get caught up in the moments... even exceeding ''c'' allows a traveller (such as a Tachyon) experiences absolute imaginary time, oscillating throughout the time dimension.
     
  21. naszvadi Registered Member

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    But it bends, (this was observed yet) and you are right: the images are blurred.
    This is why we see a totally blurred image from very distant objects, this image is the CMBR.
     
  22. naszvadi Registered Member

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    You are right: nothing with nonzero mass can be speeded up to light-speed.
    But - photons birth with light-speed, i.e. you should not speed it up!
     
  23. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect on both counts. The bending of the light beam does not blur it at all. And Cosmic Background Radiation is in the microwave band and does not/cannot interfere with visible light.
     

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