Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by Farsight, Nov 8, 2006.
I like it Farsight... though I might not agree with all of it.. it's good to think outside the box
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Perhaps some here find participating in this discussion or thinking about it really does not happen. Untill You prove me wrong I insist something happens in this forum -perhaps some of You agree it happens at different moments -in time of course.
let me put it this way ;
if you stand still does my inclusion of time move you physically ?
not psychologically like I have meeting at such time , but physically
I disagree. This is a thought-experiment. The ball isn't going from blue to green because someone is painting it, it is just a magical ball that can alter the properties of its surface to absorb and reflect light of varying frequencies. The ball is perfectly spherical and lacks any small, constituent properties.
The fact that this featureless ball of no moving parts could be used to tell "time" with no movement whatsoever blows your definition out of the water. Movement is the most common type of change, which has you fooled into thinking it is a complete set of all change, and therefore a synonym for time. But it obviously isn't. And time is akin to change, plain and simple.
I'm not sure why you are wed to your definition. It is weaker and provides no new insights. It seems like you are pigeon-holing yourself due to mere preference.
"a magical ball that can alter the properties of its surface to absorb and reflect light of varying frequencies" = motion
My defining all change as motion you are proving my point and exposing your argument as one of very circular reasoning. All change=motion therefore all motion=change.
and what is the imputis that adjusts or alters the properties of its surface ?
so that this surface can absorb and reflect light of varying frequencies ?
in the first place ?
except the fact that this ball can alter its surface
with no movement
you can't alter something without something to cause the alteration , in the background
To paraphrase an ancient pre Heisenberg paradox, if a stone flies in the air, it passes through series of trajectory points. At any given moment a stone is located somewhere, if it's "located" somewhere, it doesn't move, therefore its speed should be zero. Quite an absolute you've invented.
Seriously, humans are limited creatures, our perception of universe is approximated through 3D space, time, distance, force, energy. Those are fundamental intuitive concepts defying precise definition, it's just there. Show me a brainy wannabe Einstein claiming that he understand about time etc. more than an illiterate Bolivian peasant, I'll show you an arrogantly stupid asshole balancing on the edge of sanity.
It's quite possible that our perceptions are mass programmed by super intelligent race, it's quite possible that we are raised in the timeless 4D universe for their sensory pleasures, but guess what? There is no way to know because we are limited creatures thinking otherwise. I would strongly suggest you spending time to embrace this novel concept of human limits, instead of inventing "theories" of time.
of course if you are the future Einstein you could disagree with the past thinking, could you not ? and be right
Humans and human Einsteins (even disagreeing Einsteins) are limited by 3D space, time, force, energy which they cannot even define to anyone's satisfaction. Pop cult, media, etc. claim otherwise solely for the social control sake. I'm quite confident (and satisfied) that those limits are here to die with us.
it seems though that even now time its self is being debated though
sometimes it just takes time , time to think about a concept , to change ones mind about a previous concept
so I have found anyway
take time its self for example
the pervalence for most was that time had some influence on things , rather than seeing time as for what it is , the measurement of the movement by things
see my point ?
Why does it not move because it is located somewhere? Movement is simply a change of location. We are not saying the stone is located there forever :shrug:
For the same reason your PC monitor doesn't move with respect to table when you've typed that.
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The ancient paradox can be explained only using Heisenberg uncertainty principle stating that the values of position and velocity, for example, cannot both exist with arbitrary precision.
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put simply ,time is the measurement of the movement(s) by object(s)
time has NO influence on anything at all
time is a consequence of movement
the Reasoning is sound
What is the distance and space then? What does time measure when a cup of tea is cooling down on the fixed wrt Earth surface table?
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No movement = no time, huh? That's remarkable.
distance and space
both are what they are
so , this is an expression and has nothing to do with the understanding of WHY we are getting older
and it has nothing to do with the influence of time , in and of its self
not really when you think about it
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