Time Cystral Physicists?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by rr6, Jul 14, 2013.

  1. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    More Occam's Razor FTL, yes these types of batteries are used in electronics, but a frequency generator that comes from a microchip that has an embedded crystal does not require power. This would be required for a frequency generator that does not come from a microchip.
     
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  3. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Come up with a reference for that.
     
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  5. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, even embedded crystals require power to operate. They're not perpetual motion machines.

    Occam's Razor - when your two choices are a perpetual motion machine and a battery, the answer is "a battery."
     
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  7. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    Then this would be another example of the continued failures of Occam's Razor. This has been a known mystery among the electronics community for a long time. I first heard about this in 2001. I think they are just trying to steal the credit for doing something that has already been invented. Obtaining credit for something of this nature would be a difficult thing to achieve, an engineer would never be able to. So then they need a physicist to write out the math of why it works so then he can steal the credit for it, and then claim that we have this technology because of a physicist.
     
  8. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    If I end up finding one I will let you know, although I don't think it will matter much in your case. I would bet that intel and AMD uses them if not them then just some company that manufactures frequency generator microchips.
     
  9. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Layman should be restricted to posting in the conspiracy nut forums.
     
  10. Cheezle Hab SoSlI' Quch! Registered Senior Member

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  11. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Using a pendulum in this way uses the same priciple as a ouija board or dowsing rods. Kinda fun but not majic.
     
  12. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    So you think that physicist would welcome a free energy device with open arms? Ya right, when pigs fly.
     
  13. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Simply demonstrating my point.
     
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's not a mystery. They use batteries/capacitors.

    Who is "they?"

    They do have the technology because of a physicist. Woldemar Voigt to be specific.
     
  15. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator

    "Almost any object made of an elastic material could be used like a crystal, with appropriate transducers, since all objects have natural resonant frequencies of vibration."

    "A transducer is a device that converts a signal in one form of energy to another form of energy."
     
  16. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    "The crystal oscillator circuit sustains oscillation by taking a voltage signal from the quartz resonator, amplifying it, and feeding it back to the resonator. The rate of expansion and contraction of the quartz is the resonant frequency, and is determined by the cut and size of the crystal. When the energy of the generated output frequencies matches the losses in the circuit, an oscillation can be sustained."
     
  17. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Layman just doesn't bother to read anything he references.

    Or did I hack the wiki article to put that in?
     
  18. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    When a crystal of quartz is properly cut and mounted, it can be made to distort in an electric field by applying a voltage to an electrode near or on the crystal.

    This is just talking about converting the energy to the electromagnetic field. That was most likely hacked to be forced to say that it is the electric field

    It doesn't not require power to oscillate.

    No I hacked it in-order to make my post #33, lol
     
  19. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    By applying a voltage. From a capacitor or battery. Or does it just magically appear?

    Your knowledge of both physics and electrical engineering seems to be non-existent, limited to what you read and forgot back in the sixties.
     
  20. Layman Totally Internally Reflected Valued Senior Member

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    If it is used in this way it is just to convert mechanical energy into the "electric field" (since you have not found out about the similarities between light and electricity that where joined into one single theory). The energy comes from the ground state or the natural state. I think it would require a voltage already coming from the crystal oscillator, so it would just would have had to have had power at one period of time, like in my post #33 that describes this.
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    The opposite actually. The electric field is converted to mechanical energy. The process is lossy, so the resonance dies away quickly unless the external field is maintained.

    You clearly don't know much about the physics side of electronics. It might help you to read the entire Wikipedia article rather than just the first few lines.
     
  22. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Past( causal )-Present( eternal )--future( resultant ) = Time Two Types

    Putting crystals and the original topic thread aside, the following was my latest thoughts regarding time;

    Time of Two Types--metaphysical concepts/mind/intellignce and physical/energy/events

    Past( causal actions )->
    - Present( eternal NOW ) - [U-> ]Future( resultant effects )[/U]

    Past composed of finite set of event/phenomena( frequency/vibration ) within a given conceptual, finite time line/frame/period

    Present( eternal NOW ) --conceptual ergo non-dimensional( ergo zero-0 ) or conceptual dimension

    Future( resultant effects ) -- composed of a finite set of events/phenomena( frequency/vibration ) within a given conceptual, finite time line/frame/period.

    As I recall, Brian Green in his book " The Elegant Universe" he expressed time as a finite whole, 3D universe, that has been sliced into 2D frames kinda of like freezing framing time of a 3D universe into several 2D sliced frames over time i.e. in sequence, so that each 2D time-frame is a cross section of the finite whole Universe as an eternal NOW place.

    The eternal NOW has no dimension ergo non-spatial.

    This kind of goes along with ideas of a critical limit where a mass/object/thing is either falling into one system and out of another of vice versa-- ex moon is falling into Earths gravitational field or out of it, overall. The sun has comets in elongated eliptical orbits but overall, that comet is gradually moving away from being trapped by the sol or fall into the sun, not interred with by any objects.

    Another way of saying this, is that all vectors of Universe are a trajectory that has some amount of arc/curve in them. Over short enough distances it may become more difficult to ever discern such arc/curve of any trajectory, yet it can be no other way because again, there is no eternally existent equilibrous place between falling into or out of some system, overall.

    Be clear here, in the short time period the moon can be further or closer to Earth just a comet can be closer or further from the sun but overall, unfettered by any other objects, is falling in or out of a system

    The only other option is the the trajectory oscillates between both systems ergo a zig-zag, but even then there eventual has to bean overall falling into one left or right system. imho

    The critical limit is the equlibrium which we never have for any individual phenomena of Universe nor Universe in whole. imho

    Equlibrium means no motion, ergo eternal NOW or eternally between left or right ergo no arc/curve trajectory, no charge, no temperature, no color, no mass etc...i.e. Universe and all of its part eternally exist becuase of being disequilbrious oscillations between left-righ, in-out, expand-contract, pos-neg charge etc........

    r6
     
  23. eram Sciengineer Valued Senior Member

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    Is he really that old?


    Anyway, this time crystals thing sounds similar to ZPE. Have the experimental results come out yet?
     
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