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Discussion in 'SF Open Government' started by NMSquirrel, Feb 21, 2014.

  1. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    You've been lucky.
    Occasionally both parties are crazy pants.

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  3. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Would you like to be a moderator here, as well?
     
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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if the name "fivedoughnut" makes, rpenner, cringe.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. Valued Senior Member

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    Hah, relishing this moment to flex my e-muscles? That's a good one! Allow me to retaliate - if I were flexing my "e-muscles" and being an "e-thug", you'd be long gone. No, the more accurate statement is far simpler - you are the one being all noisy and, as already said, you are acting like the old man sitting on his front porch screaming at kids on the sidewalk to get off your lawn.

    An implied threat? Perhaps, though i would consider it more of an enlightenment - you talk and act as though you are "above" the rules and above moderation... you aren't. You've made such a pain in the ass of yourself that, were one of us to go and simply permanently ban you, I doubt any moderator, super mod, or admin would bat an eye. Does that make it the right thing to do? Of course not... but it shows what the current view of your complaints is; noise noise noise.

    If you really cared about the community, and had a true desire to make a change, you would do so tactfully and in a way that would actually achieve results - ask Wynn, she and I had a lengthy discussion via PM and, in doing so, I know I learned a lot about how I was coming across in some of my discussions (SPOILER ALERT - I learned that where I was trying to be tactful and concise I was coming across as "high horse" and an asshole). Because she was POLITE and willing to understand what I was seeing and attempting to do while explaining how it was coming across, I listened and was able to comprehend what she was saying.

    You... well, you aren't having a discussion. You are talking at people, trying to condemn "the system", and generally flailing around without any obvious apparent goal in sight.

    As I said; if you really want to accomplish something, then do so. Hell, if you bring a legitimate concern up and want to talk about it one on one, I'm all for it! But this... posturing and pandering around... it isn't accomplishing anything other than making you look the fool.
     
  8. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    I would like to be asked. I'm just not sure I have the time to commit to it.
     
  9. Kittamaru Suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. Valued Senior Member

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    Not at all, it just sounds like you don't want to have moderators here... or at least that you don't think the current moderators should be moderators. That's what I'm reading out of that.

    Though, I am curious - you keep saying "universal moral and cognitive authorities"... what exactly do you mean by that (note, I'm not trying to be a smartass, I'm legitimately curious). I know for me I'm not an "authority" on all things Sci-Fi nor Pseudoscience, and there is a lot of higher level math/physics/chemistry/et al that I don't understand. I also recognize that my moral fiber can be tested and strained and that, at times, I do not keep the level, logical head I try to maintain. The way I read it, it sounds like you think we consider ourselves the "end all be all" for our respective forums; this is not the case (or at least, is not for me). As I hope our discussion earlier shows, I'm always open to new ideas and don't mind being proven wrong; when it comes to learning new things or new ways to do things I try my best to keep an open mind.

    At the same time, though, our power is "vested" by the ownership of the forums; we were deemed capable of helping to keep the place running, organized, and somewhat free of "woo-woo", or at least to keep the woo in its appropriate subsections.

    It could be that I'm simply misunderstanding what exactly you are objecting to, so please; clarify it for me. It is hard to have a discussion on anything when the two parties are talking about one key issue and thinking of two slightly (or sometimes vastly) different concepts of the issue. I want to make sure we're on the same frequency, as it were.

    The reason I said about anarchy is, as I said, to me it sounds like you dont' want there to be moderators. Without moderation, there would be nothing to maintain order, and thus it would eventually decay into anarchy (anyone doing whatever they wanted) and the forum would quickly be overrun with spam/advert/etc bots.
     
  10. Trooper Secular Sanity Valued Senior Member

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    Would you have the time if you walked away from the other forum?
     
  11. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    For moderators, I want people whom I can actually look up to, whom I respect, whose assessment I value, whom I think better people than myself.

    And instead not people who might as well say "We are better than you, and if you don't see it, that's just proof of how retarded you are."


    Not that you consider the "end all be all" for your respective forums. It's that you speak in a manner as if you consider yourselves the be-all and end-all on everything. Hence "universal moral and cognitive authorities."


    Lovely sentiment.


    Fer shure.
     
  12. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Plus, you could abandon your family and friends, and give up your job.
    Then you'd have enough time, surely?
     
  13. Kittamaru Suppose it makes sense. Wearing a bit thin. Valued Senior Member

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    If I have ever said or given that impression during any kind of factual, academic discussion, then I am ashamed and humbled. I want that I could always sway opinion via fact alone, but there are sadly those who care nothing for factual evidence and instead insist on their own convictions and desires no matter the consequence, and that can easily tend to get under my skin. I will try harder to carry myself in a manner more befitting that of a leader going fo



    Then to set the record straight, I will say it now: I am the "end all be all" of only one thing, and that is my own thoughts, convictions, and desires. My knowledge will never be all-encompassing or complete, and I challenge ANYONE who believe there is a time when you stop learning (excluding death and perhaps severe coma/brain trauma) to prove they know everything there is to know. As a collective group, humanities knowledge base is... well, hopefully growing. What we "know" today is being challenged and what we believed to be impossible decades ago is now common place.

    That said, moderators ARE supposed to serve as a sort of moral compass... and at times we fail in that duty. Emotions, stress, frustration... it does happen. And when it does, all we can do is apologize and move on; nothing we do or say will change what was said in the past. I am not ashamed of this fact; for me, that failure is a continuous part of learning.

    As I said; I try to conduct myself a little better each day, both here and in real life (as an example, I am trying to lose weight and get into shape, as well as improve my diet. I know I cannot do it all at once, though, or I will simply hit that plateau and revert back to my old habits) but it takes time.
     
  14. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    Balerian.

    pick your battles.
    sometimes you just gotta let it go.
    right or wrong, the ppl here online are not important enough to work yourself into a lather.
    they will not prevent you from paying your rent or steal your groceries or get you fired.
    if you cant pick your battles here, then I feel sorry for you in real life as that problem tends to amplify IRL..

    if you battle everything then nothing becomes important..(more concerned for the fight than the subject)
    this is NOT the place for justification.(too many try), ppl are way too quick to point out whats wrong with an idea/though/person.
    some valid some not.. the point is to be able to let it go, and get on with your life.
     

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