Thoughts about Chi/Qi...cough..cough...bullshit

No, that was Qorl

 

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It's mystical mumbo-jumbo. Anyone who beleives that stuff is a fool.

 

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maybe you're the fool?

 

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Seriously.

 

I honestly don't see what there is to "believe", the ancient Chinese did studies on this, figured out what it could do, and called it "Qi". Qi is a word for energies within the body, be they electromagnetic or not. The fact of the matter is, these "energies" can offer health benefits.

Sure, there are stories about people who could make their bodies ultralight so they could fly, and people who can move things without touching them, I'm open to this but whether or not it's true is obviously not debatable amongst this group.

And don't ask me for a "source" when we're talking about proven fact, get your own source, look it up for yourself.

 

Only stating additional options. When gravity was first mentioned, it was regarded impossible and magical and was discarded as that. We still don't really understand how gravity works, but we accept it. Chi is something like that.

 

uhm.. since you know nothin of acupuncture I will explaine some.

Acupuncture stimulates energy centers, chakras etc. This in turn activates blood flow, nerve stimulation etc.

There are thousands od acupuncture points in the body. So random stimulations of random chakras would surely benefit the ailment.

And if the pressure points are stimulated properly in the correct positions, there will be even greater healing benefits.

Qi-Gong is also very real. There are scientific reports on the effect of Qi-Gong or Tai Chi on neurological problems. Studies have been done and people who do Qi-Gong heal faster, can heal ailments etc.

 

uhm.. since you know nothin about science I will address your post.

But that’s just the point!

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There were no "greater healing benefits" when comparing random stimulations and "proper" stimulations. So your assertion that there are "correct positions" is shot out of the water right there.

Yeah right. I bet you can’t even give a succinct scientifically verifiable definition of what Qi-Gong is. (My prediction is that you’ll proffer the usual pseudo-scientific mysto-cryptical waffle.) But at any rate, you should be able to show me all these scientific reports. Bear in mind that I have already mentioned in a post above that there are some legitimate scientific studies that suggest (mostly only by correlation, the weakest form of scientific evidence) acupuncture can aid in the treatment of some ailments.

Over to you. Show me your science....

 

Ouch

 

That seemed kind of harsh Hercules. After all, he supplied just as much evidence/sources as you did. Furthermore, the study you described says that there were NO greater benefits from precise vs. random needle placement in migrane patients. If you're going to be so critical of his evidence, maybe you should use much more broad studies. But, Im not going to be any more critical until I have seen your studies - I have no reason to doubt you or their validity.

As far as accupuncture, my personal experience has been this: My father woke up one morning with bells palsy. The left side of his face was completely paralyzed and numb. Doctors couldnt do anything. My brother, who but a wee lad, thought he would help by randomly poking needles into my dads arm as his own form of accupuncture. While I believed strongly in it (ambition of youth), my dad did not even a little, but he let my brother continue to poke him in daily sessions, like a game of doctor or something.
Finally, one day, I showed my brother the proper spots (to the best of my knowledge) where he should put the needles in. After that session of 'doctor,' my dad regained mobility and feeling in some of his face which the doctor described as 'amazing.' After I told him that he had been tricked into accupuncture, he went into a professional. Today, after 2 'strikes' of bells palsy, each followed by accupuncture treatment, my father has roughly 80% use of the left side of his face. I personally attribute it to accupuncture. However it works, "Them thar a-shenze got somethin riiite!"

 

VOODO Vs Science

Your right the people that think that the old asian world knows what they are talking about is completly full of crap! I mean herbal remedies! COME ON! Seems more like several 1000's of years playn mad scientist!

There is NO way one could compare there intellectually impared VOODO with our superior science OR medicine, right!?


HMMMM.......WAIT, I wonder what Medicen could be made of OH it's made of herbs, extracts, minerals, etc. all researched and put together long befor Western medicine came around to do it.

Take a long look at some pharmaceuticals they are made from things that the anciants use to cure the very same ailments. Also just because you get the meds in a in a nice pill format the basic practice is the same, then and now.

The ancients also have a rather good grasp on body mechanics and anatomy physiology.

The problem comes in our differing cultural aspects. Where the ancients saw the body having a life force that could be made stronger, exercised and controlled and calls it Chi.

WESTERN practice may see the body as having a nervous system that has neurological response points and nerve masses and is autonomous from our control.

Many western people would never contemplate walking on fire, breaking wood or bricks with there body or controlling there heart rate and asian culture has made it an art form.

Acupressure and acupuncture untill recently was seen as VOODO, yet are now accepted as a proven medical practice.

Neurological science is just now seeing that people can and do alter there electrical impulses and even there body chemistry [look into the American Academy of Neurology] so actively learning to do this is just the next step, a step taken long ago by a different culture.

Call it what you want but Chi is real it may not be that mistical force that people think it is but it is a fact. Just remember that many if not all things befor they are understood are considered magic, voodo or worse.