Thoughts about Chi/Qi...cough..cough...bullshit

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Possumking, Apr 15, 2006.

  1. Possumking I think, I am? Registered Senior Member

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    Personally I think that Chi/Qi is complete nonsense. I do not think there is some mystical psychic energy running through our body.

    What are your thoughts?
     
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  3. Roman Banned Banned

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    Before I disagree with you, I'd like to ask a question. Have you ever pushed yourself to your physical limits?
     
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  5. finewine Registered Senior Member

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    There is a biochemical current of energy in our bodies. There is a polarity to our body's cell structure.
    Is it Chi?
    I'm not sure.
     
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  7. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

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    It's just another interpretation of how to keep healthy really, with a few true points and a healthy dose of mysticism for a placebo effect.
     
  8. seekeroftheway Let go your conscious self... Registered Senior Member

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    It's not magic, or mystical, or anything. I do Qigong exercises at my martial arts school, as do nearly all other students, the chi is real. It just takes a very long time to develop.
     
  9. Hercules Rockefeller Beatings will continue until morale improves. Moderator

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    As I often see it discussed and defined around here and elsewhere, I completely agree that it’s a load of fantasy bunk. (I see someone has already started with the martial arts nonsense, and just wait till EmptyForceOfChi starts posting to see what I mean.)

    But there is no doubt that our bodies are electrochemical in nature. I would wager that the whole Chi idea has arisen from misinterpreted observations of simple biomechanics and observations that stimulating nerve impulses (with needles or pressure from fingers) can produce some seemingly surprising results. Of course, these fall long short of the ridiculous claims of some acupuncturists as to the healing powers of the technique. But it has been shown in scientific clinical trials that acupuncture has a beneficial effect for some simple conditions.

    For example, there was a very interesting recent scientific research publication that demonstrated that “sham acupuncture” (ie. randomly inserted needles) produced the same effect as “normal acupuncture” (ie. needles inserted in the “proper” points on the body) in treating migraine symptoms, and that both the sham and normal acupuncture were better at migraines than in control patients.


    The cell biological concept of “cell polarity” is totally different to the electrical concept of polarity. Cell polarity is usually in reference to its shape and direction of migration.
     
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  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    God, qi, heaven, karma, soul... they're all paradigms people have developed after struggling with aspects of the universe that have eluded their understanding. Regard them as metaphors and there's nothing intrinsically wrong with them if they work.
     
  11. finewine Registered Senior Member

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    This is true. I should have used the concept of magnetism.
    I just associated polarity with magnetism which most people do understand readily from elementary science.

    But simply speaking in the molecules of cells at the atomic level you have a "spin" value that is liken to a tiny magnet. MRI uses this spin for its diagnostic imagery.

    Whose to say that the spin factors of cells do not have some importance to the validity of Chi, scientifically speaking.
     
  12. Xerxes asdfghjkl Valued Senior Member

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    Call it what you will, but it is an experience that can't be described. You need to feel it firsthand.

    I don't care for a lot of the spiritual baggage, either.
     
  13. Tyler N. Registered Senior Member

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    I've felt it before, but I might be wrong. I could have felt something quite ordinary. Mabye it is something like the electric signals to contract muscles being ignored, therefore the electricity going through your body. Or that spin thing. Who knows, there are so many possibilities, and hardly anyone does proper research on stuff like that.
     
  14. Possumking I think, I am? Registered Senior Member

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    I agree completely. I do not deny what people "feel" something-- but I nevertheless think that they've misinterpreted what they've felt and decide to call that feeling Chi.
     
  15. Roman Banned Banned

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    That's just semantics.
     
  16. Possumking I think, I am? Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm...I agree. I guess what I mean is that the mystical and/or spiritual atmosphere tied around Chi is nonsense.
     
  17. Tyler N. Registered Senior Member

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    well, if we can feel electric/magnetic fields, then mabye a "spirit" is just an electromagnetic field. That would explain the goosebump and shiver thing. Just another random theory.
     
  18. valich Registered Senior Member

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    Regarding acupuncture. I twisted the sole of my foot below my ankle in a peculiar way when I clipped past another motorcycle zooming down an alley in Taiwan. All conventional pain killers prescribed had no effect on the excrutiating pain, including narcotics. The docs didn't have anything else to give me until one suggested acupuncture. It worked like a charm - absolutely pain free after that.

    In China they burn an herb on the end of the needle that's supposed to enhance or stimulate the energy healing effects. Then the acupuncterist put a clip-tab on the bottom tip of my right ear and told me to squeeze it if I had anymore pain after the acupuncture. I did have some pain, I squeezed the clip on my ear, and the pain instantly was gone. Acupuncture taps into energy points throughout the body. It works.
     
  19. Possumking I think, I am? Registered Senior Member

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    Are you sure that is what it does? Are you sure it does not just release endorphins? NO! You are not sure! It helped your pain, which I'm not denying...but that does no even begin to mean that it "taps into energy points throughout the body." That's exactly what this post is about --the fictional air around Chi/energy.
     
  20. Roman Banned Banned

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    Yeah, I agree Possumking. Fuck that dualist shit. I think in the coming decades, medical science is going to discover a lot of what we intuitively know and superstitiously believe has a real basis.

    There are a whole bunch of intangibles that affect our health we're just now becoming reaquainted with, relabeling. Walking on paved sidewalks and hard floors, every day for years causes foot and back problems. Walking on uneven, broken surfaces that could be dangerous and are definitely difficult to walk on end up being more healthy for us, as they keep our ankles strong.
     
  21. Communist Hamster Cricetulus griseus leninus Valued Senior Member

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    So, we should rip up the pavements and put earth there instead? Actually, that doesnt seems such a bad idea...
     
  22. Roman Banned Banned

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    Well, pavement is convenient for things with wheels on them. Hard, flat surfaces are also easier to clean.
     
  23. KennyJC Registered Senior Member

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    I agree. Her and c7ity should meet up sometime. They both spout the same made up crap all the time. Oh and "I AM GOD!".
     

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