This is an outrage!!!

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by joepistole, Jun 11, 2009.

  1. PieAreSquared Woo is resistant to reason Registered Senior Member

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    I didn't re-watch it , but wouldn't it been better if he said "Ma'am I going to have to take you to jail " instead of "I'm going to tase you" ..if you don't co-operate.

    70+ years old.. she probably didn't even know what a taser was... although she knows now.
     
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  3. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I think people underestimate thew elderly. Didn't an 88 yr old guy just kill a guard at the Holocaust Museum? The guard opened the door for him and he was killed for it.
     
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  5. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    If he hasn't used taser on her, she'd cut him in a half with her crochet set.

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  7. Orleander OH JOY!!!! Valued Senior Member

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    no, stabbed him with her knitting needles.
    crocheting is so last century
     
  8. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    She'd gouge his eyes and drink his blood. That's better.
     
  9. Zap Facts > Opinions Registered Senior Member

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    Why not just give everyone a permanent shock collar? That way the local chief of police can press a button at will and make them all go off at once - ensuring a safe, peaceful, and prosperous community.
     
  10. Plazma Inferno! Ding Ding Ding Ding Administrator

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    My thoughts exactly after seeing this (and many other 'taser') video(s).
     
  11. grimace Banned Banned

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    that weird because i dint know you had to sign a ticket. that is the problem right there though, if he could have just handed her the ticket without having to communicate with the her then this would not have happened. it doesnt bother me though.
     
  12. grimace Banned Banned

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    you are crazy. there is nothing safe about an old lady speeding.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    Maybe it's a Texas thing?

    Maybe it's a Texas thing? Seriously, you don't shove someone like that. That's not the proper way to relocate someone. Quite clearly, Deputy Bieze is a sadist who just wanted an excuse to hurt an old woman.

    I don't think the deputy can argue that he was ever endangered by the woman. But maybe in Texas you don't need to. If Tasers are punitive devices, there is a due process question. But hey, it's Texas, so due process isn't particularly important. And when incidents like this come up, the only thing I can think is, One more reason to stay the hell out of Texas.

    Disgusting. Repugnant. I know a cop down in San Diego who is the height of professionalism, courtesy, and even humor. And one from Maryland who is much the same. I can't imagine either of them conducting themselves so poorly as Deputy Bieze. In civilized corners of the country, the police don't act like this.

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    Okay, now that I'm done laughing at people's craven need for brutality, a couple of less ridiculous points to consider:

    The assertion is included in the television report.

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    Indeed. Matt Lauer may be a shill for all things pathetic, but the Today Show isn't a news outlet.

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    It's Texas, for heaven's sake. Acting crazy and stupid sometimes seems like a God-given right in Texas.

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    That's seems to be a lack of professionalism on the part of the guard. The Los Angeles Times describes the incident, "Authorities said he opened fired, striking Johns, after entering the museum through the main entrance with a rifle in plain view." The Washington Post, which includes the part about the guard opening the door for him, also includes details from an affidavit by the FBI: "He stepped out of the driver's side of the vehicle and approached the entrance to the museum. The defendant was carrying a rifle at his side as he approached the building." And according to the Seattle Times, "Washington Police Chief Cathy Lanier said, 'It appears that the gunman entered alone,' carrying 'a long rifle that was visible.'"

    I would think noticing a "long rifle" that is "clearly visible" in "plain view" would be among the really important duties of a security guard.

    And yes, Stephen Johns paid for his error with his life.

    However, I don't see where the Texas great-grandmother could have been hiding a long rifle. I mean, sure, there's a joke in there (heh!) somewhere about her vagina and things that are "Texas sized", but in all seriousness it's not a matter of underestimating the elderly in the case of Deputy Bieze. It really looks like he lost his composure and started looking for a reason to tase an old woman.

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    So you turn on your emergency lights, pursue the vehicle, and she pulls over. The old lady is no longer speeding. Problem solved.

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    A note on signing the ticket:

    There are three general purposes, as I understand it, to having the motorist sign the ticket. As mentioned, PieAreSquared noticed, it is a promise to appear (or simply pay the ticket and shut up). Also, it is acknowledgment that the alleged offender understands his or her position in relation to due process. And, perhaps most importantly, it shows that the person named in the citation actually received a copy of it.
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    Notes:

    Meyer, Josh. "Investigators in Holocaust museum shooting continue to look for clues". Los Angeles Times. June 11, 2009. LATimes.com. Accessed June 11, 2009. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-holocaust-shooting12-2009jun12,0,7406829.story

    Duggan, Paul and Ashley Halsey III. "Holocaust Museum Shooter Could Face Death Penalty". Washington Post. June 11, 2009. WashingtonPost.com. Accessed June 11, 2009. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/11/AR2009061101086.html

    Seattle Times News Services. "Suspect in Holocaust Museum shooting linked to Neo-Nazis". Seattle Times. June 11, 2009. SeattleTimes.NWsource.com. Accessed June 11, 2009. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-holocaust-shooting12-2009jun12,0,7406829.story
     
  14. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    My opinion is that you are gravely mistaken, so let's test the hypothesis. I can find someone in San Diego to replicate what the old lady did. All that's needed is a time and freeway that we know your cop buddy will be watching.
     
  15. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    It's disgusting and pathetic. A man of his size couldn't overtake her and get her up against his cruiser and cuff her....

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    FFS I could have done it!

    Yeah she really looked like a big threat, with him towering over her. It's just like the polish man in the airport who died from being tasered. The 6 or so Big Cops couldn't take 1 man down. Oh wait he had a dangerous weapon in his hand a plastic stapler. :bugeye:

    It's a joke and an embarrassment.
     

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